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The Ever-changing Cleric

Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 1523
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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EC, Since you take it upon yourself to contradict friendly advice given to others, why not do some math?
A CELTA in San Francisco costs between 1500 and 2500 dollars. Then there is the cost of living in San Francisco for a month which could easily amount to double the tuition cost. Then there's the lost wages for a month, unless one happens to have paid vacation. In my case, the lost wages could have easily doubled tuition and living expenses. The cost for a CELTA in San Francisco could easily run to six, eight thousand dollars.
Say a person starts out earning 600 to 650 $/monthly in China. In this part of China, that would be a decent wage. One might work the entire first year for virtually nothing.
On the other hand, one might get a CHEAP TESL of some kind to satisfy employers. In spite of their protestations, they do appreciate whatever credentials an FT has. |
your post/advice above shows figures at the extreme high (course and living costs) and low (salary in china) range. most reputable tefl courses will cost less than you make them out to be, and most salaries in china will be higher.
if someone is only looking at a course to satisfy some requirement to get the job and isnt worried about the quality of the training, then forego the course entirely. save yourself a lot of money and have someone make a certificate for you in photoshop. khao san road in bangkok does big business in such certificates, incl. university degrees that look very real. $50 ought to cover it.
the course i took that i listed in my previous post (teachandtravel.com) contained almost nothing about teaching english and a lot about traveling and living in a foreign country. this is what a lot of cheap tefl courses are based on and I could have gotten the same info from the lonelyplanet website for free. and i've never had to use the certificate from that worthless course to get a job, incl. here in China.
on the other hand, anyone who considers any course they take as an investment in their education (i do) then take one of the many four week courses that are available. they cost more, but you actually learn something useful. and they can be done in hundreds of cities around the world that are much cheaper than san francisco. I did such a course in bangkok at ECC and my total costs (course, accommodation, food) for the month - ~ $3500, and that included a few nights out on the town. I could still have pared those costs down to $3000 if need be. |
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Hansen
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 737 Location: central China
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like you didn't do much shopping for a decent TEFL course, one which actually covered helpful elements of teaching ESL.
The numbers which I quoted are not far from actual reality, in the central parts of China. They reflect accurate numbers of those taking quality ESL training in the USA. Certainly, if a person is a recent college grad with no earning power, a month of time is an investment; however, for people who actually can make money while they work, a month is a lot of lost wages.
Top universities in these parts, a couple of years ago were paying ~3500-4500 /monthly, with the standard "benefits package". There are some outfits that actually are keeping wages down because they agree to work on the cheap to secure positions for members of their organization. At least that was the case a couple of years ago.
http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/foreign-teacher-salary.htm#salary_guidelines
Few people fall into the top tiers of the salary schedule at the above link.
As for taking the course in Thailand, sure it might be cheaper; however, factor in airplane costs and the fact that some schools might want to only reimburse tickets from Bangkok to China rather than home country to Bangkok to China, and you can add another several hundred $ to out of pocket expenses, which may not be reimbursed.
If you want to stay in a dump in SF, one full of backpackers blasting stereos day and night, you can find cheap(?) accomodations. Like anything, a decent place in SF is going to cost. One CELTA student stayed in the Hilton at a cost of several hundred a night for an entire month.
There are always people, such as myself, who do things on the down low.
Another couple flew in from Asia for training in SF. Factor in those expenses as well, unless they happened to be reimbursed, which I doubt. In their case, they specifically wanted CELTA training.
According to one source, there are only 8 places in the USA which offer CELTA training. CELTA is a British thing. Most people are going to need accomodations for a month in one of the cities, such as Boston, SF, NY, Houston. You think lodging and food in any of those places is cheap?
My main point was that, using good judgment and references, one might find a suitable TEFL course online which will satisfy employers in China and provide useful material on major points such as grading, concept checking, and other useful teaching methods. Those things don't require weeks of training to master.
Some of the "better" TEFL courses spend a lot of time teaching how to make lesson plans, for instance. I still consider them a waste of time, yet numerous hours can be devoted to the subject in a TEFL course.
I have developed a system that satisfies my school, and keeps most of the students involved. Most FTs, unless they are thick as a brick, can do the same thing, just by trial and error.
Financially, CELTA, or any other relatively expensive TEFL course, all things considered, is probably not a good investment for most people who plan to teach in China.
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