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More Money in South Korea or Taiwan?
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Traveller84



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:07 am    Post subject: More Money in South Korea or Taiwan? Reply with quote

Cultural experiences aside do you think you can save more money working in Taiwan or Korea?

Obviously it depends a lot on experience, degrees, and lifestyle. But say for someone with a BA in International Business, a CELTA, and a few months experience, with a balanced lifestyle of eating at home and out, having a few nights out, and a bit of travel on the weekends. Do you think they would be better off in Korea or Taiwan?

I'd appreciate to hear people's thoughts on the matter.

cheers
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Threads on this forum must remain focused on Taiwan. Discussions regarding living and teaching in Korea should take place on the Korean Job Forums. Separate registration is required.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advantages:

Korea: free housing

Taiwan: Can work privates without worrying about getting busted by the police. I have never heard of anyone getting in trouble for private tutoring in Taiwan.

Negatives:

Korea: Locked into one job. If they don't have the hours you need you are in trouble.

Taiwan: Legally forbidden from teaching children under six years old. In Taiwan you can legally have three jobs.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
Negatives:

Taiwan: Legally forbidden from teaching children under six years old.


Wouldn't this be a positive not a negative?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, since teaching pre-school children is the only work you can get from 9 to 12. If you don't teach pre-school then you are only making 40,000NT a month or have to work until 9PM most nights to make 60,000NT a month.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll save more money in Korea.

I would never teach in Korea again, but you asked which place has the most money for EFL teachers, and it's Korea.

In Korea, you'll start off at $2,000 a month (2.3 million won) with free housing.

In Taiwan, you'll start off with about $1,800 a month (60,000 NTD) WITHOUT free housing. And the trouble with Taiwan is that if your employer cuts your hours, your pay will go down, because in Taiwan, pay is hourly, not monthly like in Korea.

That said, I'd still pick Taiwan over Korea any day. I've lived in five different countries, and Korea is the most xenophobic place I've ever lived, and you're reminded of it every five minutes in people's behavior, government policies, etc.

Essentially, if you work in Korea, you're selling your soul for a few hundred extra bucks a month. Trust me. I lived there for five years. I didn't really realize how much I'd been missing out on until I moved to Taiwan.

In Taiwan, you can have up to three jobs, register two of those as your ARC-supporting schools (i.e. you get fired or the school closes and you can stay in Taiwan with the other school and not have to do a visa run), you can apply for permanent residency after five years, it's tropical, the cost of living is extremely low (I rent for $106.45 a month with an ocean view), etc. Not to mention that Chinese is a vastly more useful language to learn.

I'll take those privileges over a few extra bucks every time.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In Korea, you'll start off at $2,000 a month (2.3 million won) with free housing.


Furthermore the base salary might be 60,000NT a month in Taiwan but you can do privates or have a Saturday job to top off your salary without worrying about getting deported like in South Korea. In Taiwan you can earn 80,000NT to 90,000NT if you are really interested in making money. If you just work every Saturday morning you can earn 70,000 to 80,000 a month.

Depends what you want in life.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
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In Korea, you'll start off at $2,000 a month (2.3 million won) with free housing.


Furthermore the base salary might be 60,000NT a month in Taiwan but you can do privates or have a Saturday job to top off your salary without worrying about getting deported like in South Korea. In Taiwan you can earn 80,000NT to 90,000NT if you are really interested in making money. If you just work every Saturday morning you can earn 70,000 to 80,000 a month.

Depends what you want in life.
I was using the model of a 25-hour week (60,000 NTD or 2.3 million won).

However, it's true, Taiwan lets you stack up your jobs so you can have up to three. This means up to 32 hours legally-speaking, but if you go over that, who's going to know? Nobody is going to sit there and monitor how many hours you're teaching. If you can teach 15 hours of kindergarten in the morning, 25 hours of evening classes, and have Saturday and Sunday jobs, you could make ridiculously good money (and drop dead the following week from overwork).

I'd argue that per hour, Korea still pays more, though, especially when you factor in taxes. I'm paying 20% tax.

As for deportation...

I have had two Labor Bureau officers show up (one at each place I was working) and I've only been here for less than four months. In both cases, my paperwork wasn't completed yet (in the latter case, I hadn't even begun to file my paperwork because Hess hadn't even given me my ARC back yet). The first time, I took a "coffee break" and got the hell out of there. The second time, he caught me right in the middle of a class, but we got him to go away by saying that I was "volunteer teaching in exchange for free Korean lessons" (this was a Korean international school).

I think Labor Bureau/immigration officials are much more common in Taiwan than Korea. I taught under the table in Korea for a year and a half and never had any close brushes like I've had here. However, something can be said for me having received two visits and not being deported yet, despite my lack of appropriate paperwork. Maybe officials come to check up on you more often in Taiwan, BUT they are certainly nicer. The second time, the guy totally knew I was BSing about the "volunteer" thing, and even gave me pamphlets explaining how to use the CLA to legitimize my second job. I doubt they would have been that nice in Korea. In Korea, they would've said "throw that dirty foreign scumbag in a prison cell and send him back to his country with a lifetime ban on re-entry" and kicked me a few times. In Taiwan, they give me friendly pamphlets emblazoned with slogans like "What Foreign Professionals in Taiwan Should Know."

Remember, the exchange rate in Korea has gone back into the 1100s, so it is once again profitable. Nothing like the fall/winter of '08 when it hit 1,500. You can save money in Korea, but is it worth it to sell your soul and sanity for a few extra bucks?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, it's true, Taiwan lets you stack up your jobs so you can have up to three. This means up to 32 hours legally-speaking, but if you go over that, who's going to know? Nobody is going to sit there and monitor how many hours you're teaching. If you can teach 15 hours of kindergarten in the morning, 25 hours of evening classes, and have Saturday and Sunday jobs, you could make ridiculously good money (and drop dead the following week from overwork
).

Except for the kindergarten part. Kindergarten jobs are illegal and one may be deported for working in one if they are caught. Of course most reputable schools pay brides and know when there will be a raid. (Such an oxymoron.)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
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However, it's true, Taiwan lets you stack up your jobs so you can have up to three. This means up to 32 hours legally-speaking, but if you go over that, who's going to know? Nobody is going to sit there and monitor how many hours you're teaching. If you can teach 15 hours of kindergarten in the morning, 25 hours of evening classes, and have Saturday and Sunday jobs, you could make ridiculously good money (and drop dead the following week from overwork
).

Except for the kindergarten part. Kindergarten jobs are illegal and one may be deported for working in one if they are caught. Of course most reputable schools pay brides and know when there will be a raid. (Such an oxymoron.)
True.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was using the model of a 25-hour week (60,000 NTD or 2.3 million won).

However, it's true, Taiwan lets you stack up your jobs so you can have up to three. This means up to 32 hours legally-speaking, but if you go over that, who's going to know? Nobody is going to sit there and monitor how many hours you're teaching. If you can teach 15 hours of kindergarten in the morning, 25 hours of evening classes, and have Saturday and Sunday jobs, you could make ridiculously good money (and drop dead the following week from overwork).


While, South Korea might still be better one other thing to consider is that many schools in South Korea when offering you a monthly salary of 2.3 million to 2.5 million expect you to spend a certain block of time in the school everyday. In public schools you usually have to stay there from 8Am to 4PM. That is 40 hours a week in the school for 2.3 million.

Thus it is not as simple as just teaching 25 hours a week in Korea.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep Korea wins hands down for salary and potential savings due to the salary level, free apartments, airfares etc.
If money is not your agenda, give Korea a miss as its VERY Xenophobic, racist, duplitious and nasty.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yep Korea wins hands down for salary and potential savings due to the salary level, free apartments, airfares etc.
If money is not your agenda, give Korea a miss as its VERY Xenophobic, racist, duplitious and nasty.


You need to be careful what you are comparing. If one is talking about how much you can save on one's basic salary or how much an ambitious person who wants to save money can save. In some countries it is possible to save more than the monthly salary in Korea.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me (only observing from a distance) that Taiwan would be the best deal for teaching English in Asia. The pay is competitive relative to the cost of living, like people said you can work multiple jobs, and its closer to places like SE Asia where you can party like a rockstar on that relatively high salary. Japan may be more interesting but you'll be throwing your money right back out there just to survive.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It seems to me (only observing from a distance) that Taiwan would be the best deal for teaching English in Asia. The pay is competitive relative to the cost of living, like people said you can work multiple jobs, and its closer to places like SE Asia where you can party like a rockstar on that relatively high salary. Japan may be more interesting but you'll be throwing your money right back out there just to survive.


One thing to keep in mind about Japan is that you have an open work permit to teach English anywhere you want. You don't need to get anyone's approval to work another place after you get your first job.
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