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Afroste
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 Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 6:31 pm Post subject: Xi'an |
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| Anyone know what a decent wage would be in Xi'an? Any opinions on the place? Checking out some offers from there right now. |
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Renegade_o_Funk
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| Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I have no clue about Xi'an, but shoot for minimum 8000rmb per month for any realtively big city. If you recieve lowball offers, negotiate. |
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Gunner
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| Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| The average off for Xi'an is about 5000 to 6000, along with an apartment. A couple of schools I know of offer higher wages, and some also offer lower. It'd be wise to do some digging around. |
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YankeeDoodleDandy
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Location: Xi'an , Shaanxi China
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| Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 11:59 am Post subject: Xi'an |
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| I live in Xi'an. It depends upon who you work for. Universities pay 3800 to 7,000 RMB per month for 14 to 18 classes per week. The better the university, the lower the pay. This is a good example of logic with Chinese characteristics. If you work for an English Training Center/Language Mill the wages may be 5,000 to 6,500 RMB per month for 24 hours per week and YOU may be required to spend some time in the office to work on your lesson plans. With universities, you usually have about three months off per year and with training schools, you would be lucky to have one month off per year. Many universities will only give you 10 or 11 months pay, but they will let you stay there rent free during the summer, if you have signed a contract for the upcoming year. |
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CJD
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Renegade_o_Funk wrote: |
| I have no clue about Xi'an, but shoot for minimum 8000rmb per month for any realtively big city. If you recieve lowball offers, negotiate. |
Poor advice imo. You can live very well in most Chinese cities if you're making 4,000 a month in addition to a 1,500 housing allowance. |
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Renegade_o_Funk
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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No it is not poor advice, it is very constructive advice. A college graduate from a Western Country should not be considering such a low salary, it really is silly, schools can afford 8k plus salarys easily. Maybe for a newbie who isnt aware that many things, including salary are negotiable, it may be confusing advice. Overall, it is very good advice.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to negotiate a higher salary. You can live decently on 5500, but once you return home you will be broke as you did not earn enough to save any decent ammount of money. |
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CJD
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, you can negotiate. But if the university says no, and they won't pay you more than 5,500 a month, and you reject their offer because you want 8,000 RMB a month, you could be passing up a great job.
For the vast majority of people, teaching in China is not a good way to make money. It's actually a horrible way to make money if you're looking to save up and go back to North America or Europe.
Teaching in China is about having a great experience. University jobs which pay 5,500 a month are often the best jobs. This is unless you're set on saving up a few hundred measly U.S. dollars a month to bring home, or in rare cases where teachers are making $20,000RMB+ per month. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| CJD wrote: |
| Renegade_o_Funk wrote: |
| I have no clue about Xi'an, but shoot for minimum 8000rmb per month for any realtively big city. If you recieve lowball offers, negotiate. |
Poor advice imo. You can live very well in most Chinese cities if you're making 4,000 a month in addition to a 1,500 housing allowance. |
it's a great advice! it's not about if "YOU CAN LIVE WELL"on that salary but about how much the job offer should be, isn't it?
a uni english department leader nearby the private school i work at has offered me a job there. he offered me 5,000 monthly. never mind the fact that i currently make a bit more than that, knowing that they make a load of cash out of those poor uni students there, i refused. and this uni leader's my tennis friend. foolish for him to have told me the story that he just bought a new toyota (he drove me in) and that he was asked by his leader not to buy audi as it'd be too difficult to explain why he'd got so much money. 
cheers and beers to all of our points of views and experiences |
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Renegade_o_Funk
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 5:44 am Post subject: |
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| CJD wrote: |
Sure, you can negotiate. But if the university says no, and they won't pay you more than 5,500 a month, and you reject their offer because you want 8,000 RMB a month, you could be passing up a great job.
For the vast majority of people, teaching in China is not a good way to make money. It's actually a horrible way to make money if you're looking to save up and go back to North America or Europe.
Teaching in China is about having a great experience. University jobs which pay 5,500 a month are often the best jobs. This is unless you're set on saving up a few hundred measly U.S. dollars a month to bring home, or in rare cases where teachers are making $20,000RMB+ per month. |
Im not talking about saving up hoards of money. For such a poor ammount you will land in America or Europe and be immediatly broke. A decent ammount of money can be made if you make an effort to (A)not sell your self short, and (B) not allow your self to be taken advantage of.
As English Gibson pointed out, im not questioning being able to live well on 5500 a month. In most parts of China you can indeed live well on 5500 a month. I am trying to enlighten people to the fact that schools are making ALOT of money off of us, most schools can probably afford to pay each FT at least 10k rmb without a problem. And that they should try to negotiate for a higher salary rather than just saying "ok thanks for paying me shit"
Alot of schools wont pay the 10k+, but if everyone the school trys to recruit is negotiating the salary towards the 8k+ range, then the school may stop trying to offer 5500. It seems you are unhappy with the fact that FT's should try to get a little bit more of the money schools are raking in for having them there. |
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Afroste
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the experiences and info guys. The offers from Xi'an are 8000 with included apartment. Still browsing around other areas as well though.
I feel right now and for the next couple months a lot of employers in China that are looking for teachers have a serious need (since its not the average start to a semester). ie, more money to offer due to demand
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YankeeDoodleDandy
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Location: Xi'an , Shaanxi China
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| How many hours are you working per week ? How much time do you have off during the year ? School started the first week in September. Are you replacing a teacher that left after 5 or 6 weeks ? I'm well aware of supply and demand. Be careful of what you ask for. Will you be working at a senior/junior middle school, primary school or language mill. Universities don't pay 8,000 RMB per month in Xi'an, unless you're teaching about 10 hours overtime each week. Let us know. |
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kei1261
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Afroste wrote: |
Thanks for the experiences and info guys. The offers from Xi'an are 8000 with included apartment. Still browsing around other areas as well though.
I feel right now and for the next couple months a lot of employers in China that are looking for teachers have a serious need (since its not the average start to a semester). ie, more money to offer due to demand
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That doesn't sound too bad. |
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englishgibson
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no, it doesn't sound too bad, although and as yankee has pointed out there're more details about the agreement to know. i'd also be interested whether there's any end of contract bonus/no receipt flight reimbursment etc and whether there's any tax on this 8,000 or not. being taxed on the flat allowance is a bit harsh too. well, you wouldn't want to be surprised once you arive to fill in the post there.
cheers and beers to all fts on that stick together and will not sell themselves short even in "beautiful" locations with "beautiful" recruiters  |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: |
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I feel right now and for the next couple months a lot of employers in China that are looking for teachers have a serious need (since its not the average start to a semester). ie, more money to offer due to demand
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yes, a serious need for some seriously poorly managed places. and, watch out for the expectations of ya too 
cheers and beers to the expectations of us on the 5,000 years old land |
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