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chinatwin88
Joined: 31 Aug 2009
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| hang around the pomegranate bar, Shunie area (sic), (near Beijing) and you will meet the well heeled, teacher educated illuminati who grace the halls of ExPat schools and who abide in the likes of 20Kper month abodes. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:17 am Post subject: |
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didn't william wallace take that job a while back?
cheers and beers to our high paying jobs in china |
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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003
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Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:38 am Post subject: Re: 21,000 RMB a month |
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| Molson wrote: |
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| changshaman wrote: |
| At such a low salary you must mean one of the Chinese schools teaching Chinese people to go overseas. I do not know of anyone making salaries that low unless you are working as a missionary at one of those schools where you don't care about money because you are doing so much good. |
True. I was making about the same as the OP two years ago at a so-called 'International School' while friends at a proper international school (i.e. one with an international student population) were earning at least twice as much. I also had to suffer the usual Chinese style of (mis)management but those in the proper international schools did not. |
I would like to know: which of these International Schools pay TWICE, meaning 40+k RMB a month.
I teach at a REAL International School - it is accredited and ONLY foreign passport holders are allowed to attend. Unfortunately, the school did not count my years of teaching ESL in figuring my salary. I am at 21k a month, which is the lowest salary range in my school. My HoD who has 20yrs experience only makes 7k a month more than me. I know we aren't in a top tier category, but still, I would really like to know who pays beginner teachers over 30k RMB a month.
If one were to have 20yrs + experience and a master's degree I can see them getting 30k rmb/month or so. However, having access to a database that tells what all these top tier schools pay, none have stated more than 40k US a year or the equivalent.
I don't want to say you are full of crap, but all the evidence that I have seen seems to suggest it. If the database where these schools advertise their jobs and post their benefits is wrong, I would like to know. |
I work at a NON-genuine international school, and I make slightly more than your HOD, if housing is to be included. And I'm not HOD. Although I have a Masters and a PGCE, I don't have 20 years experience, only about 7 or so. Go figure. It suggests the distinction between "real" ISs and the others is not what we thought it was.
But I think you muddy the waters talking about "beginning" teachers. From what I've heard, international schools almost always want 2 years experience in one's home country. Some cannot be so choosy, but obviously the high payers can.
I would categorically agree with you that it's ridiculous that there could be schools offering above 40K+, but somebody on this forum a year or so ago was adamant that there were international schools paying more than 45K a month. I think his name was "Cohen". It does sound ludicrous but the world is a complicated and strange place ... |
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Mikeylikesit114
Joined: 21 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:27 am Post subject: |
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I now call out anyone who is paid more than 15k rmb for a typical "Oral English" teaching/facilitating position, anywhere in China. Please identify yourself/ves. If any surface, I doubt their veracity.
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Hi there. I make a little over 18000 a month, 12 months a year. I teach about 18 class hours a week, and have 4 months of vacation every year.
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Beyond that, how many out there can truthfully claim that they have received annual raises? Where I "work" now, there are teachers who have been here for 3+ years earning the same as me. We have the same amount of total experience, but, I would love to think that an employer would grant loyalty a bit of cush.
So, the way I see it is this - I can continue working in my "cushy" job, which provides me with around 10k a month (9 months a year) to spend for 2, 90 minute classes a day and hopefully save around 5k USD a year. (Remember, I like to help the local economy. The misers out there could save up to 10k USD a year if they eat rice and noodles every day and don't travel.)
Assuming I become a miser, I could save 10k USD, if that, in China. After 20 years I will/should have 200k USD to retire on. Assuming most certified teachers in their home countries work for 30/35 years before retiring, then I might have 300k to live on the rest of my life.
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I received a 20 percent raise this year. Next year I'm due for another 10 percent raise. And as for savings, I'm aiming to save a little over 20k USD this year. |
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Molson
Joined: 01 May 2009
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Location: China
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| My International School pays pretty low due to low enrollment numbers. The trade off on that though is very small classes. In terms of marking load, I do about half of what I used to do in Canada. I would like to know what schools pay a lot, as it is something to aim for. Also if I had a master's degree my school would have to pay me 5k a month more, so I gathered my HoD doesn't have a master's degree. That seems to be the other catch in snagging the elite top tier IS jobs in China: they prefer a master's degree as it looks good in justifying why the parents pay so much cash for tuition. |
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Mr. P
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Mikey,
Do you "teach" Oral English classes in China?
Based on what I've read, you work in a specialized program at Beida in SZ. I believe I read that you "teach" Business English in their graduate school there.
That is not ORAL English.
Do you ever have to grade papers etc...? How many times per week do you see each group of students?
Seems like you have a nice job though. Good for you. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: |
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i think it's pretty rare to make 18-21 K monthly in china. i mean, if there are a million fts on mainland, how many fall into that category?
mikey, you've got a really fine contract, although i'd love to know what your gig is really all about in detail. yes, senzhen or shanghai might've got a few of these kinda gigs.
molson, it seems like i'm on the same or similar boat goin'the same way.
cheers and beers to the highly paid fts on mainland |
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malu
Joined: 22 Apr 2007
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Location: Sunny Java
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: Re: 21,000 RMB a month |
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[quote="Molson"
I would like to know: which of these International Schools pay TWICE, meaning 40+k RMB a month.
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Shanghai American School. British International School. |
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RiverMystic
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International School of Beijing payed around low 40 000s, with 12 000 housing allowance, and that was 6 years ago when I worked there. Personally, I wouldn't work there again, not for such a low salary anyway, with all the hours and everything. I get a heap more cash now, and work as little as 2 hours a day, although sometimes I put in up to five. I get about ten weeks holiday, all up. Much of the time, when in the office, I do my own stuff. That's how I can do a bit of part-time work on the side, write, run a business, travel, and teach at the same time.
I know that I may get accused of boasting, just as the OP did. Of course, the accusation is groundless. |
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Molson
Joined: 01 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:19 am Post subject: Re: 21,000 RMB a month |
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| malu wrote: |
[quote="Molson"
I would like to know: which of these International Schools pay TWICE, meaning 40+k RMB a month.
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Shanghai American School. British International School.[/quote]
According to what they posted on Search-Associates they pay:
Shanghai American School:
$37,000 US for someone with 4yrs experience and a BA, $44,000 US for someone with an MA and 8yrs experience. That isn't 40k RMB a month. For rent they only have $3000...not sure if that is 3000RMB a month or $3000 US a year or what...they do have money for flights etc, so I am not sure if they lump that all together and say "here is your salary" or if they divide it up. SAS is a top tier school within China though, so saying they pay high is a no-brainer. Do they pay 40k RMB a month is what I'd like to know.
British International School:
Yes, you are damn right they pay a lot. I might have to look into that school further. They start off at $54,000 US and if you have an MA or a lot of experience $62,000 plus housing and airfare. Thanks for mentioning this school. It seems they are one of the 40k RMB a month schools.
Beijing International School:
Seems to pay similar to SAS...not really impressed. |
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RiverMystic
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:43 am Post subject: Re: 21,000 RMB a month |
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[quote="Molson"
Beijing International School:
Seems to pay similar to SAS...not really impressed. |
Read my post again. I made no reference to Beijing International School. |
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Molson
Joined: 01 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:31 am Post subject: Re: 21,000 RMB a month |
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[quote="RiverMystic"]
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[quote="Molson"
Beijing International School:
Seems to pay similar to SAS...not really impressed. |
Read my post again. I made no reference to Beijing International School. |
I stand corrected. Blame my dyslexia.
You are quite correct, they do pay well. Thanks for the information. It is another on my list to check out. |
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waxwing
Joined: 29 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:55 am Post subject: Re: 21,000 RMB a month |
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British International School:
Yes, you are damn right they pay a lot. I might have to look into that school further. They start off at $54,000 US and if you have an MA or a lot of experience $62,000 plus housing and airfare. Thanks for mentioning this school. It seems they are one of the 40k RMB a month schools.
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So to get this straight: $62K p.a. equates to just over $5K per month, which is about 35K RMB. Does that make their gross, pre-tax remuneration above 40K? If we include housing? Presumably it does, I heard the housing allowance for these schools is big. Still, you seemed to be implying that was around the top of the range for a teacher (i.e. not senior management).
It seems reasonable to me that the very most prestigious few schools in the capital and in Shanghai would be paying that. |
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waxwing
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| RiverMystic wrote: |
| International School of Beijing payed around low 40 000s, with 12 000 housing allowance, and that was 6 years ago when I worked there. |
Is that 28+12 or 40+12? Big difference 
And just to clarify, a "heap more cash" for teaching or other job? And where is the job, if it is teaching? |
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alter ego
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:13 am Post subject: |
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| I know that I may get accused of boasting, just as the OP did. Of course, the accusation is groundless. |
Yeah, without a bit more info. to back up your heaps more cash story any accusations or reservations might not be as groundless as you think. You don't need to be too specific but a few more details about how you're making that kind of money in China, the kind of school, types of students, etc., might sway a few of the skeptics. Otherwise, you might as well be employed by the University of Grand Delusions.  |
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