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Molson
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On the site where I got that information, it says salary+housing.
Of course it could be a lie because my school said the same thing and they included it all together.
Still, the pay seems pretty damn good. |
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RiverMystic
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| waxwing wrote: |
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| International School of Beijing payed around low 40 000s, with 12 000 housing allowance, and that was 6 years ago when I worked there. |
Is that 28+12 or 40+12? Big difference 
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40 + 12 |
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chinatwin88
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| even for incounrty hires (in country hires usualy dont pay housing), the rate is around 30 up, beginning at real internationals, but true to the post, it is a real job with real hours and the extras such as the PTA and sports days as well as field trips and away trips. |
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malu
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| chinatwin88 wrote: |
| ... such as the PTA and sports days as well as field trips and away trips. |
...and science competitions, extracurriculars, student performances, prof. development seminars etc etc.
This is very true - life at an overseas school (i.e. a 'proper' international school) is no different from being a K-12 teacher back home. |
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changshaman
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For those who are qualified and really looking for good teaching jobs, have you ever heard of a little place called tieonline.
I pay $40 a year and get all kinds of info. No I do not work for them and do not get anything if you go there. Just a place a friend told me about who was getting about $50,000 - $60,000 a year in Shanghai when he left 8 years ago. The Shanghai Racquet Club where he lived rent free was pretty nice too. |
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inchinanow
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: re |
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I see people mentioning figures of 30K and 40K RMB. I only have two questions:
1. Where do I apply?
2. When can I start?
I am a certified teacher in Biology/Chemistry with lots of credibility. I'm not a flake or a homeland reject. |
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waxwing
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: Re: re |
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| inchinanow wrote: |
I see people mentioning figures of 30K and 40K RMB. I only have two questions:
1. Where do I apply?
2. When can I start?
I am a certified teacher in Biology/Chemistry with lots of credibility. I'm not a flake or a homeland reject. |
Do you have any experience teaching internationally recognized qualifications? IB, A-level, IGCSE? How much experience back home do you have?
I'm guessing that you are from the USA (based on your use of the word "certified")? In that case I can't help you too much, but I wouldn't be surprised if the opportunities are growing rapidly, just as they are for UK based teachers. I recently heard that here in Shenzhen someone is trying to set up a ... heck, what's it called? AP program, I think it's called.
I have head good things about a number of organizations like "Search Associates" for international school jobs. There is some kind of registration fee for those. Do a search on the forums, you'll find plenty of info. on international schools. |
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inchinanow
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:19 am Post subject: |
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| I taught IB in Beijing. Now I am teaching IG and A level. |
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waxwing
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:08 am Post subject: |
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*Keep an eye on the TES. Only some of the schools advertise there, but it tends to be the good ones.
*Investigate Dipont (I am assuming you don't currently work for them), but keep your eyes open. I am not making a recommendation, but they are a big player in the A-level market here. The pay won't be 30+ but should be 25+ all in, assuming you have a decent background.
*Over the last 3 years there have been quite a few smaller centres opening up down here in Shenzhen and Guangzhou. It can be a bit of a crapshoot. I have heard horror stories. Not all centres really know what they're doing.
*There's got to be several high paying schools in Beijing and Shanghai who would jump at the chance of a qualified, experienced Bio/Chem teacher. There might be slightly less demand for those than for Maths or Economics, but there's probably less supply (of teachers) as well. It's a good market out there for people like you.
I recently saw on TES there's a new school opened up in Qingdao running the Cambridge system.
And like I said there's Search Associates and the like which cater to the snootiest international schools. I personally prefer just teaching 16-18 so I don't really look into those schools, albeit they definitely are the best payers.
Good luck. I'm sure you'll find a very good post here in China if you decide to stay a while |
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Molson
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: re |
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| inchinanow wrote: |
I see people mentioning figures of 30K and 40K RMB. I only have two questions:
1. Where do I apply?
2. When can I start?
I am a certified teacher in Biology/Chemistry with lots of credibility. I'm not a flake or a homeland reject. |
I use TIE online and Search-Associates to look for my jobs. With Search-Associates most of the jobs for next year should be posted Nov-January. You pay to join with that agency, then apply for jobs through their system.
There are more American curriculum schools than British in China, so if you can do AP that would probably be a huge plus for you. |
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inchinanow
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| Thanks!!!! |
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waxwing
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:08 am Post subject: Re: re |
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| Molson wrote: |
There are more American curriculum schools than British in China, so if you can do AP that would probably be a huge plus for you. |
I'm interested to hear you say that, are you sure? What do you base it on?
I would have said the opposite, but I would only be extrapolating from what I know, I don't have any hard facts. |
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Molson
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:13 am Post subject: Re: re |
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| waxwing wrote: |
| Molson wrote: |
There are more American curriculum schools than British in China, so if you can do AP that would probably be a huge plus for you. |
I'm interested to hear you say that, are you sure? What do you base it on?
I would have said the opposite, but I would only be extrapolating from what I know, I don't have any hard facts. |
I could be wrong, and there are more British schools. Here is what I am basing my assertion on:
The number of schools that recruit with Search Associates in China, and out of that number the amount that use an American based system. |
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roywebcafe
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: 21,000 RMB a month |
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When i was working at a govt school in Wuahn, china in 2003 I was on 4500RMB a month. Just where can you get jobs that pay 21,000RMB a month as a teacher?
I now have 5 years experience and a CELTASo would like to be earning more.
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| At such a low salary you must mean one of the Chinese schools teaching Chinese people to go overseas. I do not know of anyone making salaries that low unless you are working as a missionary at one of those schools where you don't care about money because you are doing so much good. |
True. I was making about the same as the OP two years ago at a so-called 'International School' while friends at a proper international school (i.e. one with an international student population) were earning at least twice as much. I also had to suffer the usual Chinese style of (mis)management but those in the proper international schools did not. |
I would like to know: which of these International Schools pay TWICE, meaning 40+k RMB a month.
I teach at a REAL International School - it is accredited and ONLY foreign passport holders are allowed to attend. Unfortunately, the school did not count my years of teaching ESL in figuring my salary. I am at 21k a month, which is the lowest salary range in my school. My HoD who has 20yrs experience only makes 7k a month more than me. I know we aren't in a top tier category, but still, I would really like to know who pays beginner teachers over 30k RMB a month.
If one were to have 20yrs + experience and a master's degree I can see them getting 30k rmb/month or so. However, having access to a database that tells what all these top tier schools pay, none have stated more than 40k US a year or the equivalent.
I don't want to say you are full of crap, but all the evidence that I have seen seems to suggest it. If the database where these schools advertise their jobs and post their benefits is wrong, I would like to know. |
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waxwing
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: 21,000 RMB a month |
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| roywebcafe wrote: |
When i was working at a govt school in Wuahn, china in 2003 I was on 4500RMB a month. Just where can you get jobs that pay 21,000RMB a month as a teacher?
I now have 5 years experience and a CELTASo would like to be earning more.
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Roy,
Read the whole thread, there are a lot of details here. Generally, you would need to be a teacher qualified/certified in your home country, with a certain academic specialism, and some solid teaching experience in that area as a prerequisite for the kinds of jobs we're talking about here.
Having said that, there's nothing unrealistic about looking for 10-15K as an experienced teacher of oral English, albeit it's difficult in the less rich regions of China.
Obviously a bog standard government school oral English teaching job is not going to pay 20K or anything like it. |
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