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[johnslat]

Dear veiledsentiments,

The way I always think of it is this:

Othello was jealous (when you have something/one, and you're afraid it or he/she is going to be taken from you.)

Iago was envious (when you want what someone else has.)

And supporting my claim:
"Is there a difference between envy and jealousy?
Although sometimes used synonymously, envy and jealousy have different meanings.
Envy is the desire for something that someone else has, or a feeling of ill will over another person's advantages in general:
My envy of your success has made me bitter.
Jealousy is a resentful suspicion that someone else has what rightfully belongs to the jealous person:
Out of jealousy, he followed his wife.
The favored treatment of the daughter created jealousy in the son."

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/Section/Is-there-a-difference-between-envy-and-jealousy-.id-305408,articleId-29127.html

"Envy vs. Jealousy

Ordinary language tends to conflate envy and jealousy. The philosophical consensus is that these are distinct emotions.[2] While it is linguistically acceptable to say that one is jealous upon hearing about another's vacation, say, it has been plausibly argued that one is feeling envy, if either, in such a case. Both envy and jealousy are three-place relations; but this superficial similarity conceals an important difference. Jealousy involves three parties, the subject, the rival, and the beloved; and the jealous person's real locus of concern is the beloved�the person whose affection he is losing or fears losing�not his rival. Whereas envy is a two party relation, with a third relatum that is a good (albeit a good that could be a particular person's affections); and the envious person's locus of concern is the rival. Hence, even if the good that the rival has is the affection of another person, there is a difference between envy and jealousy.[3] Roughly, for the jealous person the rival is fungible and the beloved is not fungible. So he would be equally bothered if the beloved were consorting with someone else, and would not be bothered if the rival were. Whereas in envy it is the other way around. Because envy is centrally focused on competition with the rival, the subject might well be equally bothered if the rival were consorting with a different (appealing) person, but would not be bothered if the �good� had gone to someone else (with whom the subject was not in competition). Whatever the ordinary meaning of the terms �envy� and �jealousy,� these considerations demonstrate that these two distinct syndromes need to be distinguished."

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/envy/#1.2

Envy vs. Jealousy

"Long lumped together by ordinary folks and scholars alike, envy and jealousy are not a single, formless "super emotion." On the contrary, they are distinct, with different components, and are in fact elicited by completely different situations and in completely different settings.
According to Georgetown University psychologist W. Gerrod Parrott, Ph.D., envy occurs when a person lacks another person's superior quality, achievement, or possession, and desires it�or wishes that the other person lacked it.
Jealousy, by contrast, occurs in the context of a close relationship when a person fears losing an important other to a rival�in particular, losing a relationship that is important to one's sense of self."

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199401/devastating-difference

Overkill, I know - but it IS a pet peeve.

Regards,
John

[Never Ceased To Be Amazed]

I once had a pet peeve, but it bit me and I had it put down...

NCTBA

[johnslat]

Dear NCTBA,
Awwww - too sad. But you're in luck:

http://lindsayolson.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/pet-peeves.jpg

Regards,
John

[Pikgitina]

[Never Ceased To Be Amazed]

Don't tell me...it gave you a buncture?

NCTBA

[johnslat]

Dear Pikgitina,

Aren't most, if not all, forks in the road uncertain? But, as Yogi said, when you come to one, take it.

Regards,
John

[Pikgitina]

[johnslat]

Dear Pikgitina,

I also like another of Yogi's sayings (which could, I suppose, also be applied to the KIngdom.)

"No one goes there anymore; it's too crowded."

And then, there's this one, which might be relevant to the Saudi forum:

"There are some people who, if they don't already know, you can't tell 'em."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Yogi_Berra

Regards,
John

[Deicide]

[johnslat]

Dear Deicide,


" . . . the former are all prescriptivists . . .'

Good Lord - you've met ALL of them???

Hmmm - should I be flattered or insulted? If the latter, my reply is that you're just envious.

Regards,
John

[mrbbkk]

There is miscommunication on the criminal background check

In many states this is a horrible looking computer generated document which the embassy rejects

They really want a notorized clearance letter from the courthouse stating that you don't have a criminal background or a letter from the FBI which you can't get unless you mail them your fingerprints

This caused a two week delay for me.

I think they just stall till the first probationary period is over and the second wave comes in after two to three months

[Sheikh N Bake]

It depends where you are in the US as to what "police report" you can obtain and how easily.

In New Jersey I was in a town called Audubon and went down to the local police station where a kindly detective did a search and wrote a personal letter stating I had no criminal record in that jurisdiction. I had him put a regular stamp on it (not raised) and that was enough--in 1992 and '94.

In Houston, more recently, the police don't do that; it's a Harris County Court function. Since the Saudis don't accept a faxed copy, I simply went downtown to the courthouse and had a clerk do it for me while I waited. They call it a background check, not a police report. No big deal.

You do NOT need a FBI report and I would hope people would not start going to the FBI or the next thing you know the Saudis will start demanding FBI clearances.

[mrbbkk]

I got the notarized letter from the courthouse too and they accepted it but the criminal background check was actually only for a small geographic region within Washington state. The computer generated document was actually for the whole state and the FBI document is national which is all I would want if I were doing the hiring.

I think it time they will get it sorted out

They should make it clear that they do not want computer generated documents but actual letters from the courthouse that have a certain look and form to them

The whole delay was unnecessary but I think its just part of working in Saudi

[Snowed In]