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TheBee'sKnees



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:10 am    Post subject: Can I get jobs teaching women in Sub-Saharan Africa? Reply with quote

Hi. I was just wondering if it's possible to get a paying job only teaching women anywhere in Sub-Saharan Africa. I am interested in teaching in Africa but over the course of my life I have had horrible experiences involving African men (particularly from western African countries). It's not that I have anything directly against them. It just seems like working in a setting as intimate as a classroom would be much more comfortable for me if I were only teaching women. Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would also like to teach Sub-Saharan women. An all-female Czech class would be great too.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:07 am    Post subject: Re: Can I get jobs teaching women in Sub-Saharan Africa? Reply with quote

TheBee'sKnees wrote:
Hi. I was just wondering if it's possible to get a paying job only teaching women anywhere in Sub-Saharan Africa. I am interested in teaching in Africa but over the course of my life I have had horrible experiences involving African men (particularly from western African countries). It's not that I have anything directly against them. It just seems like working in a setting as intimate as a classroom would be much more comfortable for me if I were only teaching women. Any thoughts?


I think that you should stay home. Forget about going to any part of Africa. Foreign teachers who want to teach in Africa should be broad minded, flexible and logical. They should not be illogical, narrow minded and constrained by petty hatreds and irrational fears. Do yourself and all Africans a favour by remaining in your own country. The Africans don't need you.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:35 am    Post subject: Re: Can I get jobs teaching women in Sub-Saharan Africa? Reply with quote

cassava wrote:
TheBee'sKnees wrote:
Hi. I was just wondering if it's possible to get a paying job only teaching women anywhere in Sub-Saharan Africa. I am interested in teaching in Africa but over the course of my life I have had horrible experiences involving African men (particularly from western African countries). It's not that I have anything directly against them. It just seems like working in a setting as intimate as a classroom would be much more comfortable for me if I were only teaching women. Any thoughts?


I think that you should stay home. Forget about going to any part of Africa. Foreign teachers who want to teach in Africa should be broad minded, flexible and logical. They should not be illogical, narrow minded and constrained by petty hatreds and irrational fears. Do yourself and all Africans a favour by remaining in your own country. The Africans don't need you.


Hey, slowwwww down there. Are you calling me some sort of a racist?? Why do you assume that my feelings on the matter are illogical and narrow-minded? You are assuming I don't have a fair bit of experience with African culture. I have PLENTY of African people in my life. I didn't say that I want to avoid African men at all costs. And I never said that ALL African men give me a hard time. What I said was that I'd feel more comfortable "in a classroom setting" if I were teaching women.


And what's all this about "petty hatreds"?? Your response to my post is clearly based on assumptions you are making about me as a person.

And P.S: I'm a very well-traveled HALF-AFRICAN FEMALE! And a dark-skinned one at that. So don't talk to me like I know nothing about being open-minded or about African culture. Or the attitudes of some African men towards women who pay them any bit of attention. And I'm also not some horny white male looking for some action. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: Can I get jobs teaching women in Sub-Saharan Africa? Reply with quote

cassava wrote:
TheBee'sKnees wrote:
Hi. I was just wondering if it's possible to get a paying job only teaching women anywhere in Sub-Saharan Africa. I am interested in teaching in Africa but over the course of my life I have had horrible experiences involving African men (particularly from western African countries). It's not that I have anything directly against them. It just seems like working in a setting as intimate as a classroom would be much more comfortable for me if I were only teaching women. Any thoughts?


I think that you should stay home. Forget about going to any part of Africa. Foreign teachers who want to teach in Africa should be broad minded, flexible and logical. They should not be illogical, narrow minded and constrained by petty hatreds and irrational fears. Do yourself and all Africans a favour by remaining in your own country. The Africans don't need you.


Cassava you have gone off into an incredible flight of fancy. Do you dislike women, by chance?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bee's Knees:

In my comments, I emphasized attitude. I could not care less whether you are half-African, full-African or quarter-African. Questions about "race" are totally irrelevant here. Any individual, regardless of race, can develop prejudiced attitudes. It is immaterial whether you are black, white, brown, yellow, or a combination of races.

What is important here is that you have developed an overtly biased attitude towards a certain group of people because of unfortunate events that you have experienced in the past.

Whether you realize it or not, this negative view will be detrimental to you as well as to those Africans whom you would like to teach. You would have to be extremely naive to believe that your attitude would not be reflected in your teaching, or that you would not influence your students.

I think you have a lot of psychological baggage that you need to discard. Counseling might be a good first step.

Nothing is worse than a teacher who, intentionally or unintentionally, poisons the minds of children.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I get jobs teaching women in Sub-Saharan Africa? Reply with quote

TheBee'sKnees wrote:
I am interested in teaching in Africa but over the course of my life I have had horrible experiences involving African men (particularly from western African countries).


Interesting how all is always relative... IMHO (and -experience) this group of people has always been my favourite to teach. I once taught at a school where the vast majority of the students came from this part of the world and were male.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately the chance of finding an all female class is slim. Females are still at the bottom of the pile in Africa, parents would rather pay for sons to be educated than daughters. I am in touch with someone through a charity I am part of that is a classic example of this. She wants to further her tertiary education and her father is able to pay for it, but holding it back for her brothers possible future needs!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cassava wrote:
The Bee's Knees:

In my comments, I emphasized attitude. I could not care less whether you are half-African, full-African or quarter-African. Questions about "race" are totally irrelevant here. Any individual, regardless of race, can develop prejudiced attitudes. It is immaterial whether you are black, white, brown, yellow, or a combination of races.

What is important here is that you have developed an overtly biased attitude towards a certain group of people because of unfortunate events that you have experienced in the past.

Whether you realize it or not, this negative view will be detrimental to you as well as to those Africans whom you would like to teach. You would have to be extremely naive to believe that your attitude would not be reflected in your teaching, or that you would not influence your students.

I think you have a lot of psychological baggage that you need to discard. Counseling might be a good first step.

Nothing is worse than a teacher who, intentionally or unintentionally, poisons the minds of children.
I think that her attitude is sexist, not racist. But, then again, she's a woman: we all know that only men are sexist - just like only whites are racist.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chancellor wrote:
cassava wrote:
The Bee's Knees:

In my comments, I emphasized attitude. I could not care less whether you are half-African, full-African or quarter-African. Questions about "race" are totally irrelevant here. Any individual, regardless of race, can develop prejudiced attitudes. It is immaterial whether you are black, white, brown, yellow, or a combination of races.

What is important here is that you have developed an overtly biased attitude towards a certain group of people because of unfortunate events that you have experienced in the past.

Whether you realize it or not, this negative view will be detrimental to you as well as to those Africans whom you would like to teach. You would have to be extremely naive to believe that your attitude would not be reflected in your teaching, or that you would not influence your students.

I think you have a lot of psychological baggage that you need to discard. Counseling might be a good first step.

Nothing is worse than a teacher who, intentionally or unintentionally, poisons the minds of children.
I think that her attitude is sexist, not racist. But, then again, she's a woman: we all know that only men are sexist - just like only whites are racist.


If we all know that only men are sexist, then you are sexist and she is not. Get a grip, man. I'm a guy and yet I can still identify the 'woman haters' amongst us a mile off.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Can I get jobs teaching women in Sub-Saharan Africa? Reply with quote

bje wrote:
cassava wrote:
TheBee'sKnees wrote:
Hi. I was just wondering if it's possible to get a paying job only teaching women anywhere in Sub-Saharan Africa. I am interested in teaching in Africa but over the course of my life I have had horrible experiences involving African men (particularly from western African countries). It's not that I have anything directly against them. It just seems like working in a setting as intimate as a classroom would be much more comfortable for me if I were only teaching women. Any thoughts?


I think that you should stay home. Forget about going to any part of Africa. Foreign teachers who want to teach in Africa should be broad minded, flexible and logical. They should not be illogical, narrow minded and constrained by petty hatreds and irrational fears. Do yourself and all Africans a favour by remaining in your own country. The Africans don't need you.


Cassava you have gone off into an incredible flight of fancy. Do you dislike women, by chance?



Why is it that whenever a man has a sharp disagreement with a woman, he is usually regarded with suspicion and even considered as a possible woman hater? Let me state quite firmly that I am not and have never been a misogynist.

The OP stated that her reason for wishing to teach only girls was because she had had "horrible experiences involving African men". If this is not a blatant case of sexism, I don't what it is. This is the worst kind of generalization and is obviously the product of an illogical mind.

If the OP had said that her reason for wanting to teach only girls was because the bulk of her experience had been in girls' schools, then that might have seemed a valid, if somewhat specious, reason.

Bje seems to believe that the OP should be able to lash out at men in the most flagrantly indefensible manner without being reprimanded for this kind of absurd drivel.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:35 am    Post subject: Re: Can I get jobs teaching women in Sub-Saharan Africa? Reply with quote

cassava wrote:
bje wrote:
cassava wrote:
TheBee'sKnees wrote:
Hi. I was just wondering if it's possible to get a paying job only teaching women anywhere in Sub-Saharan Africa. I am interested in teaching in Africa but over the course of my life I have had horrible experiences involving African men (particularly from western African countries). It's not that I have anything directly against them. It just seems like working in a setting as intimate as a classroom would be much more comfortable for me if I were only teaching women. Any thoughts?


I think that you should stay home. Forget about going to any part of Africa. Foreign teachers who want to teach in Africa should be broad minded, flexible and logical. They should not be illogical, narrow minded and constrained by petty hatreds and irrational fears. Do yourself and all Africans a favour by remaining in your own country. The Africans don't need you.


Cassava you have gone off into an incredible flight of fancy. Do you dislike women, by chance?



Why is it that whenever a man has a sharp disagreement with a woman, he is usually regarded with suspicion and even considered as a possible woman hater? Let me state quite firmly that I am not and have never been a misogynist.

The OP stated that her reason for wishing to teach only girls was because she had had "horrible experiences involving African men". If this is not a blatant case of sexism, I don't what it is. This is the worst kind of generalization and is obviously the product of an illogical mind.

If the OP had said that her reason for wanting to teach only girls was because the bulk of her experience had been in girls' schools, then that might have seemed a valid, if somewhat specious, reason.

Bje seems to believe that the OP should be able to lash out at men in the most flagrantly indefensible manner without being reprimanded for this kind of absurd drivel.


LOL, mate, you're a real case. Enjoyed your strangely angry rant though!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few points:

-How is at that based on a post someone writes on an internet forum someone can have the audacity to suggest that someone is going to poison the minds of children? That's just silly. Who is even talking about children?

-My "horrible experiences involving African men" haven't been few and far between and I'm not saying that all African men are bad, or that all of the experiences involved "bad" men. In fact, most of the experiences have simply resulted from sending the "wrong" signals, which sometimes happens to be ridiculously easy even when some women purposely avoid doing so. I'm naturally a very friendly, affable teacher and I wouldn't want to have to "just be mean" to anyone (which my male African relatives have often INSISTED I do when these situations are thrust upon me) just to not send the wrong signals. It's fine on the streets, but not in my classroom.

-And since when does saying that "I" have had bad experiences, and that "I" would be more comfortable in a different situation qualify as a generalization? I didn't say "All African men are bad people." That would be different.

-Don't read so much into my original post and use it as a license to jump down my throat. And the fact that I am half African IS relevent here. African women often get treated differently in some circles than non-African women by African men. Everyone knows that a single female would have different experiences among different cultures and that it does sometimes factor in when deciding which country to teach in. Ex: It would not be a ridiculous generalization to say that I'd get a lot more unwanted male attention from locals in, say, India or Morrocco than I would in Vietnam.

-I would not start a new thread by spitting out my entire life story because A: it's annoying, B: plenty of people would not want to have to read an essay before actually understanding the poster's question and C:If there is specific information I am after I don't like to cover it up with pie-in-the-sky nonsense. My only "naive" mistake was forgetting that a lot of people on this forum seem to be out to big themselves up by attacking each other instead of staying on topic.

-TT-Kira, thanks for actually answering my question. It was helpful.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bje wrote:
Chancellor wrote:
cassava wrote:
The Bee's Knees:

In my comments, I emphasized attitude. I could not care less whether you are half-African, full-African or quarter-African. Questions about "race" are totally irrelevant here. Any individual, regardless of race, can develop prejudiced attitudes. It is immaterial whether you are black, white, brown, yellow, or a combination of races.

What is important here is that you have developed an overtly biased attitude towards a certain group of people because of unfortunate events that you have experienced in the past.

Whether you realize it or not, this negative view will be detrimental to you as well as to those Africans whom you would like to teach. You would have to be extremely naive to believe that your attitude would not be reflected in your teaching, or that you would not influence your students.

I think you have a lot of psychological baggage that you need to discard. Counseling might be a good first step.

Nothing is worse than a teacher who, intentionally or unintentionally, poisons the minds of children.
I think that her attitude is sexist, not racist. But, then again, she's a woman: we all know that only men are sexist - just like only whites are racist.


If we all know that only men are sexist, then you are sexist and she is not. Get a grip, man. I'm a guy and yet I can still identify the 'woman haters' amongst us a mile off.
You aren't very bright, are you? I was obviously being sarcastic.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chancellor wrote:
bje wrote:
Chancellor wrote:
cassava wrote:
The Bee's Knees:

In my comments, I emphasized attitude. I could not care less whether you are half-African, full-African or quarter-African. Questions about "race" are totally irrelevant here. Any individual, regardless of race, can develop prejudiced attitudes. It is immaterial whether you are black, white, brown, yellow, or a combination of races.

What is important here is that you have developed an overtly biased attitude towards a certain group of people because of unfortunate events that you have experienced in the past.

Whether you realize it or not, this negative view will be detrimental to you as well as to those Africans whom you would like to teach. You would have to be extremely naive to believe that your attitude would not be reflected in your teaching, or that you would not influence your students.

I think you have a lot of psychological baggage that you need to discard. Counseling might be a good first step.

Nothing is worse than a teacher who, intentionally or unintentionally, poisons the minds of children.
I think that her attitude is sexist, not racist. But, then again, she's a woman: we all know that only men are sexist - just like only whites are racist.


If we all know that only men are sexist, then you are sexist and she is not. Get a grip, man. I'm a guy and yet I can still identify the 'woman haters' amongst us a mile off.
You aren't very bright, are you? I was obviously being sarcastic.


Duh, obviously I knew you were being sarcastic. Your bitterness concerning women was worth highlighting buddy, and your general dislike of women comes through loud and clear, whether you're being sarcastic or literal.
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