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Rooster_2006
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 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:11 pm Post subject: If fired/laid off, how much times is there to find a job? |
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I'm planning on making the move to Japan either next year or the year after that. I'm teaching in Taiwan right now.
I'm just wondering, if a teacher is fired or laid off in Japan, how long does he/she have to find another job before being booted out, assuming the employer reports the termination right away (assuming the employer is a spiteful jack@$$)?
I hope it never happens, but I'm just wondering how long I have. Six weeks? A month? Seven days? |
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desu
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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I'm under the impression that it's minimum 1 month notice, plus given that rent payments are being made per month, unless they are firing you right on the 1st day of a new month, they would have to let you stay until the end of the following month or reimburse you for the difference.
This all having been said, with all the up front costs of renting your own place here, it's definitely a good idea to build up a nest egg of a few month's rent at least, just in case you do find yourself needing to get a new place. Not to mention moving expenses if you acquire more than the few bags of stuff you come over with. |
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Rooster_2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| desu wrote: |
I'm under the impression that it's minimum 1 month notice, plus given that rent payments are being made per month, unless they are firing you right on the 1st day of a new month, they would have to let you stay until the end of the following month or reimburse you for the difference.
This all having been said, with all the up front costs of renting your own place here, it's definitely a good idea to build up a nest egg of a few month's rent at least, just in case you do find yourself needing to get a new place. Not to mention moving expenses if you acquire more than the few bags of stuff you come over with. |
Sorry, I guess I didn't make myself quite clear.
I meant "being booted out of Japan," not "being booted out of my apartment."
Like, how much time after a firing/laying off do I have before being given a departure order?
In Taiwan, it's seven days to find a new job after the Cancel Contract Agreement, and if it exceeds seven days, you're given a letter stating that you must leave Taiwan.
Since seven days is a very short time, many teachers dash to the nearest hole-in-the-wall job they can find out of desperation. I'm one of them.
I'm just wondering how it is in Japan. |
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Inflames
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| You have until the date stamped in your passport (seriously). |
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Rooster_2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Inflames wrote: |
| You have until the date stamped in your passport (seriously). |
So if I have a three-year visa, does that mean I can get fired in the first month and spend the remaining 2 years, 11 months as an unemployed bum? Does Japan seriously have no problem with that? Don't people ever take advantage of this? |
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Inflames
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
| Inflames wrote: |
| You have until the date stamped in your passport (seriously). |
So if I have a three-year visa, does that mean I can get fired in the first month and spend the remaining 2 years, 11 months as an unemployed bum? Does Japan seriously have no problem with that? Don't people ever take advantage of this? |
Nope, they won't have a problem with it. Someone really can't "take advantage" of that (sitting around for more than 2 years unemployed). Presumably, if the police found a homeless foreigner they would be eventually sent home.
In theory, they can take you visa if you engaged in the activity your visa is for for 3 months, but for specialist in humanities or instructor visas I've never heard of that happening (However, for student visas I have heard of it happening).
I and many other people have been fired or quit our jobs and we simply just went on to find another job. For specialist in humanities or instructor visas, it's yours until the date in your passport. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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Being laid off/fired: they have to give you 30 days' notice or pay in lieu thereof.
Being evicted: 6 months (although you might get bullied to leave sooner)
Being forced to leave Japan: until your visa expires, but there is also an immigration policy that says if you cannot give good reason why you can't find a job in 3 months your visa will be invalid (if it hasn't already expired by then). Have not heard of anyone being called on that, though, and there are no immigration cops checking your home on that.
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/tetuduki/zairyuu/qa.html (see Q17) |
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Apsara
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Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Note that there seems to be a few unscrupulous employers in Japan who will threaten to "report you to Immigration" if you quit before your contract is up etc. In reality they have no power whatsoever to do this- as above, your visa is yours until it expires, it's not tied to your job, and provided you don't commit a crime while unemployed Immigration a) will not know you aren't working anyway and b) isn't really interested as long as you keep your nose clean.
If you didn't work for two years, then got a new job at the last minute and tried to renew your visa things might get tricky at that time, but until then you would be fine. |
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Shonai Ben
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Apsara wrote: |
Note that there seems to be a few unscrupulous employers in Japan who will threaten to "report you to Immigration" if you quit before your contract is up etc. In reality they have no power whatsoever to do this- as above, your visa is yours until it expires, it's not tied to your job, and provided you don't commit a crime while unemployed Immigration a) will not know you aren't working anyway and b) isn't really interested as long as you keep your nose clean.
If you didn't work for two years, then got a new job at the last minute and tried to renew your visa things might get tricky at that time, but until then you would be fine. |
I had this happen to me after I gave my 2 weeks notice.My employer threatened to go to immigration and withdraw my sponsorship telling me that I may have to leave Japan because of it.
Hahahahaha.........what a joke!.......been here ever since......no problem. |
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desu
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
| desu wrote: |
I'm under the impression that it's minimum 1 month notice, plus given that rent payments are being made per month, unless they are firing you right on the 1st day of a new month, they would have to let you stay until the end of the following month or reimburse you for the difference.
This all having been said, with all the up front costs of renting your own place here, it's definitely a good idea to build up a nest egg of a few month's rent at least, just in case you do find yourself needing to get a new place. Not to mention moving expenses if you acquire more than the few bags of stuff you come over with. |
Sorry, I guess I didn't make myself quite clear.
I meant "being booted out of Japan," not "being booted out of my apartment."
Like, how much time after a firing/laying off do I have before being given a departure order?
In Taiwan, it's seven days to find a new job after the Cancel Contract Agreement, and if it exceeds seven days, you're given a letter stating that you must leave Taiwan.
Since seven days is a very short time, many teachers dash to the nearest hole-in-the-wall job they can find out of desperation. I'm one of them.
I'm just wondering how it is in Japan. |
Ahh yes and I guess I wasn't making myself very clear either. I was referring to the specific situation where your job and housing are intertwined, as in, you are renting company housing. This is often the situation for most people here their first time.
In this case, the "6 months" eviction quote from Glenski doesn't really apply. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| desu wrote: |
Ahh yes and I guess I wasn't making myself very clear either. I was referring to the specific situation where your job and housing are intertwined, as in, you are renting company housing. This is often the situation for most people here their first time.
In this case, the "6 months" eviction quote from Glenski doesn't really apply. |
I don't think so. If you are in some sort of dormitory, perhaps, but if all the employer does is provide an apartment recycled from a previous teacher, I think you are still entitled to the civil law support of 6 months. |
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