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Santiago Matamoros



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:26 pm    Post subject: Teaching in the UAE Reply with quote

Hi!

I am considering teaching in the UAE. Can anyone recommend a decent recruitment agency? I am from the UK and hold both a Cambridge CELTA and a postgraduate qualification in education.

Any help appreciated.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The vast majority of teachers sensibly avoid recruiters and apply directly. You didn't mention your experience and what level you are interested in teaching.

The Ministry of Education is currently using recruiters for their re-vamp of K-12 education in the public schools, but it requires a legitimate teaching certificate from your home country. If you search for ADEC or Teachaway, you will find threads on this. For the international schools, again apply directly.

By "postgraduate degree" do you mean an MA? If you have a closely related MA (TEFL/TESL or Applied Linguistics) and related experience, apply directly to the many tertiary institutions... HCT, ZU, UAEU, etc.

VS
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Santiago Matamoros



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had 6 years experience in teaching. Ideally I would like to work in tertiary education. I hold a Cambridge CELTA and a postgraduate diploma in education (French). I don't have a masters degree. Thanks for your help.
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BigGuy



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's impossible to get a tertiary job with the 3 national universities (UAEU, HCT, ZU) without a Masters.

Maybe you could get lucky and get a job with any one of a number of other tertiary institutions like --- Dubai University, Abu Dhabi University, Petroleum Institute, branches of a number of western universities, but it's not so likely.

If you want good, secure employment in the Gulf, you need a Masters-- one positive aspect of the EFL field in the Gulf, i.e. high standards.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought PI also required an MA... or they seemed to in the past. AUS definitely does, and UoS too, I believe.

The lack of an MA definitely pushes one to second tier, less desirable employers.

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Splitting Hairs



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rubbish. Know many people without an MA in 'top' universities including Pi, HCT, Khalifa, PPP (very well paid) ECAE, without an MA. An MA can certainly help if you want to work for some of the universities like ZU, AUS, UAEU but between you and me they are not all they are cracked to be in terms of teaching and learning..
On the other hand, with your 6 years, Post Grad education and CELTA - the PPP/ADEC employers will be looking for people next semester and they pay as well if not better than the university jobs. Hard work but very rewarding.
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Pikgitina



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If not an MA, then at least a BA + a TEFL Diploma (e.g. DELTA).

VETI employs teachers with only a BA + CELTA. They'll probably pay you AED10,000 more (than the other mentioned employers) per month, provide single accommodation in addition to a housing allowance of AED20,000. However, from what I hear, one has to put in LONG hours and eat up quite a lot for that high salary.

Good luck!
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helenl



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just looking at the VETI website should scare most people - (a) it's incomplete and entirely generic except for inserting the words Abu Dhabi here and there and (b) there is nothing about the school(s) or faculty - both BIG red flags.

I sure hope they offer at least 10000 more than HCT UAEU and PI etc per month - the ambiguity let alone the implied uncertainty would warrant it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pikgitina wrote:
If not an MA, then at least a BA + a TEFL Diploma (e.g. DELTA).

Not to mention that those who manage to get in without an MA normally have a significant number of years of related experience (tertiary Academic English or writing), normally in the Middle East or with Arabic speakers.

And every advert from the recruiters that I have seen for the ADEC jobs insist on a valid teaching certificate from your home country.

That said... apply to every place that interests you. The worst that they can say is 'no.' It is all about supply and demand. Laughing

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GlobalDawg



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pikgitina wrote:
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in addition to a housing allowance of AED20,000


Is that 20K a month? It would not be unreasonable if they are paying 10K more than the highly rated tertiary institutions.

helenl wrote:
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Just looking at the VETI website should scare most people - (a) it's incomplete and entirely generic except for inserting the words Abu Dhabi here and there and (b) there is nothing about the school(s) or faculty - both BIG red flags.


There two websites, one for Al Ain and one for Abu Dhabi . . . both offered a bit of information about management and indicated that information on faculty is forthcoming.

It appears that the project is under the auspices of GTZ which is a good company. However, they had a difficult time a few years ago with a vocational training program sponsored by the MoE because they are a German company and they were attempting to implement their curriculum written in English; at the onset the MoE provided non-native English speaking teachers. I think in an attempt to revamp the program, GTZ wound up with a few people in each school ineffectively monitoring the project while companies such as Sylvan, Aspect and CECEN (with native English speaking teachers) came in to do the actual delivery but faltered by not developing and providing materials aligned to the German-based curriculum. With the experience behind them now, they just may be up for the task.

Splitting Hairs wrote:
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Rubbish.


Thanks! The constant glorification of HCT and other popular tertiary institutions in comparison to the many institutions and schools in the UAE and statements such as "The fact that most EFL teachers are pale faced Westerners is due to our being a majority of the applicants that meet their requirements" tend to suggest elite airs that are unfounded. At a certain point, it begins to play like a broken vinyl record.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GlobalDawg wrote:

Splitting Hairs wrote:
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Rubbish.

Thanks! The constant glorification of HCT and other popular tertiary institutions in comparison to the many institutions and schools in the UAE and statements such as "The fact that most EFL teachers are pale faced Westerners is due to our being a majority of the applicants that meet their requirements" tend to suggest elite airs that are unfounded. At a certain point, it begins to play like a broken vinyl record.

Of course one can always choose to believe the one poster with the dissenting opinion... rather than the rest. Personally I haven't actually noticed any "glorification" of HCT and plenty of description of its many negatives along with its positives. But, perhaps you are not a regular reader.

And how is it "elite airs" to point out the fact if an employer requires "native speakers with MAs..." that the majority of their native speaker applicants are going to be from the English speaking countries of US, UK, Canada, Aust, and NZ - and just happen to be pale faced Westerners? That is not a value judgment... merely a reality. That doesn't at all suggest in any way that non-white native speakers with MAs are inferior... merely that there are significantly fewer of them who apply.

My main quibble with this reality is the requirement for native speakers. IMHO, some of the best teachers that I worked with over the years were NOT native speakers. But sadly, it is often the students who are the most demanding that their teachers be native speakers.

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helenl



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not clear on what kind of salary and or benefits VETI is supposedly offering employees?

Perhaps Globaldawg or Pikgitina could provide some clarification: Base monthly salary, allowances (please let us know if they are monthly or yearly) and I believe Pikgitina mentioned long hours - longer than the 40 preferred hours at HCT for example?

I checked both the AD and AA websites again, there is only a list of the top management, no mention of any job openings under "careers" and no information about the working conditions and expectations (i.e. qualifications and experience; contact/prep hours; etc.) for instructors.

The lack of any information on their websites about who is currently working for them and what the schools expect of their faculty does not exactly inspire confidence.
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Dervish Finkelblatt



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am more or less in the same boat. I believe I have the credentials and experience to teach just about anywhere...my problem is where to begin. I have been out of the Emirates for so lang and I know the place has changed dramatically during my long absence.
Years ago, I worked under a military contract that was in every regard ..excellent. but I guess those kinds jobs are few and far between these days...at least, in the UAE. I also worked-briefly-at the Higher Colleges in Abu Dhabi..and despised it...so that's out. Anyway, a friend working there told me they are generally loathe to hire Americans in the first place.
I've read some good things about the Petroleum Inst....I am a little leery of the Universities that have sprung up...as the packages do not seem very attractive.
I was hoping for at least $5,000 a month+housing+ air tickets+ 8 weeks vacation. Am I fooling myself?
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helenl



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't discount HCT out of hand, a LOT depends on the campus and director - but then you have little or no choice in where you'll go.

PI has had some problems since the Colorado School of Mining "lost" the contract and a Michigan school has taken over - mainly because of higher management mismanagement of funds, supposedly. However, perhaps Vera Lynn can give us an update on what's happening this semester?

AUS and ZU both seem to tootle along quite nicely, I know people at both and they're satisfied and we don't get many postings (disgruntled or otherwise) here at Dave's from either campus. Maybe they're good prospects for you if you have the quals?
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GlobalDawg



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

helenl, I know no more than what I learned after accessing both of the websites and gathering information, yesterday. At that time there were job offerings for ESL teachers and an ESL head teacher (it appeared that only one position was being offered) on the Abu Dhabi website. There were also pdf files for the applications and the job descriptions for both positions. There was also information that indicated that the closing date for the jobs was Nov. 13th which was Friday. I just went back to the Abu Dhabi website and there is a notice posted that no vacancies are available. Before reading this thread yesterday, I had never heard of VETI. My response in relation to your post was merely to suggest that GTZ, from what I know about it, is a reputable organization; I provided background information on the organization based on personal experience.
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