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ShioriEigoKyoushi
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lisa111082
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Posts: 37
Location: Too close to Mt. Fuji
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Whatever you do, don't come over here with BL's visa and dump them right off for another job. It may have been fine in the days of NOVA but it's not now. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| cornishmuppet wrote: |
| I think the negetivity towards working in Japan goes too far on this forum sometimes. |
That's what a lot of people say about reality.
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| While I think you and other long-term posters are right with what you say 90% of the time, I think that if everyone who came on this forum asking for advice about getting a job in Japan followed the replies they received to the letter, most of them would end up staying at home. |
And how about the free advice I give on resumes which lead to job offers? Is that negative?
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| But while BL and others might not be great companies to work for, for someone who wants to come out and work in Japan for a year then its not going to kill them to work for a dispatch company. People pick strawberries to live in France, or flip hamburgers to live in New York for a year. Why not work for BL in order to experience Japan? |
If a person comes in with eyes open, gets informed about the negative aspects of the employer and doesn't mind getting screwed, then go ahead and "experience Japan". I, however, prefer to point out the side of the coin that isn't rose-tinted when people can only see that one color and shout, "Come on in, the water's fine!"
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| And then, if like they like the place, they should look around for something better once they're in the system. I did 18 months in a pretty crappy eikaiwa before getting something better. It certainly didn't kill me and if anything, it made me feel more positive towards my current job. |
And, if you could have avoided that crappy situation, I'm sure you'd have felt much better. Some people get fed up or frustrated with crappy situations, then leave with a totally negative view of the whole country. It'd be nice to avoid that.
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| Some days I feel that every time a company is mentioned on here twenty people jump and and shout "stay away!". It must be pretty demoralising reading for newcomers wanting to find out about working in Japan, and I don't think that we should be speaking for the entire foreign workforce, most of whom, as I mentioned before are, if not happy, then content in what they are doing here in order to fulfil their aim of being in Japan. |
It wasn't demoralizing enough to keep you away, was it? As for the happy as clams types, you seem to be one of them, but you were demoralized for a year. Perhaps others don't take failures so well as you. As for any successes you may have had with ALT situations, good, great, kudos to you. Just don't make them sound like the norm. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I had one question, though. Glen, you said that once my visa is mine, its mine. Lets say that a company begins the visa process, and during that time another company hires me. What should i do then? should the first company cancel the process so the new comp. can take over? |
You should tell the first company to stop the visa application, then start it all over again with the next one.
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| and what if I get new company hires me and I have my Cert of Eligibility? how does this work? and how shoulc i explain this situation to any new company i apply to? thanks! |
If the situation progressed that far, then you have to suck it up and resign with the first place, then hope that there are no hitches in getting employed by the other one. I don't think this happens so much, and I can't tell you with any certainty what to do. Immigration may not blink and just let you take the visa with the second employer at that point, or they may get strict and require you to apply all over again. You might not want to say anything when you go in with the COE, and later tell immigration you have a new employer at renewal time. Volunteer as little info as possible. |
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ripslyme
Joined: 29 Jan 2005
Posts: 481
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ShioriEigoKyoushi wrote: |
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heh - all you need to do to blow the whistle on this shady paperwork shuffle is get the government to look at two things:
a.) how many visas for full-time work were sponsored by this company
b.) how many full-time employees they currently enroll in shakai hoken |
You think they'd actually do anything? Surely they already know this.
Shiori |
Knowing something and having something reported to say... the media are two different things. |
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cornishmuppet
Joined: 27 Mar 2004
Posts: 642
Location: Nagano, Japan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
| cornishmuppet wrote: |
| I think the negetivity towards working in Japan goes too far on this forum sometimes. |
That's what a lot of people say about reality.
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| While I think you and other long-term posters are right with what you say 90% of the time, I think that if everyone who came on this forum asking for advice about getting a job in Japan followed the replies they received to the letter, most of them would end up staying at home. |
And how about the free advice I give on resumes which lead to job offers? Is that negative?
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| But while BL and others might not be great companies to work for, for someone who wants to come out and work in Japan for a year then its not going to kill them to work for a dispatch company. People pick strawberries to live in France, or flip hamburgers to live in New York for a year. Why not work for BL in order to experience Japan? |
If a person comes in with eyes open, gets informed about the negative aspects of the employer and doesn't mind getting screwed, then go ahead and "experience Japan". I, however, prefer to point out the side of the coin that isn't rose-tinted when people can only see that one color and shout, "Come on in, the water's fine!"
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| And then, if like they like the place, they should look around for something better once they're in the system. I did 18 months in a pretty crappy eikaiwa before getting something better. It certainly didn't kill me and if anything, it made me feel more positive towards my current job. |
And, if you could have avoided that crappy situation, I'm sure you'd have felt much better. Some people get fed up or frustrated with crappy situations, then leave with a totally negative view of the whole country. It'd be nice to avoid that.
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| Some days I feel that every time a company is mentioned on here twenty people jump and and shout "stay away!". It must be pretty demoralising reading for newcomers wanting to find out about working in Japan, and I don't think that we should be speaking for the entire foreign workforce, most of whom, as I mentioned before are, if not happy, then content in what they are doing here in order to fulfil their aim of being in Japan. |
It wasn't demoralizing enough to keep you away, was it? As for the happy as clams types, you seem to be one of them, but you were demoralized for a year. Perhaps others don't take failures so well as you. As for any successes you may have had with ALT situations, good, great, kudos to you. Just don't make them sound like the norm. |
If having a job and a life I enjoy makes me a "happy as a clam type", as you say, then I must be guilty, so apologies for that. But it doesn't make my comments any less relevant, and if anything it actually helps to maintain a little of the balance on this forum.
As you say, there are two sides to a coin, and while you prefer to point out one side, I prefer to remind people that there is also, in fact, another side. |
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