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Job market and chances in Jan/Feb/Mar
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carmo85



Joined: 15 Nov 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a bit worried by that. Surely, I can do something in that week? Money is a factor.Maybe I can stay on.
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mozzar



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you arrive Monday, spend that day getting a mobile and sorting out other bits and bops (accommodation, getting your bearings). Tuesday you hand out your CV, Wednesday/Thursday they ask you to come in for an interview on Friday. Friday you go. Then it's the weekend. It could be the next Tuesday they get back to you to offer you hours. Even if the market is good it still takes time for stuff to happen.

What were you plans?
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carmo85



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah you are 100% right. I'm trying to see if I can find contacts (friends of friends etc) where I can stay maybe and keep the cost down. I might have to couch surf but that sounds lke a good experience too. I am arriving on Thursday the 14th but at 9pm. So I will have Friday for phone and general organisation. I hope to have most of my organisation done before I land so I can hit the search asap. Are the schools not open Saturday? Then I will go home the next Saturday morning. Its 7 full days and 6 work days.If I feel it is the right thing I can always stay a little longer but the issue is my funds.
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MisterB



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Carmo, I have never taught in Spain, so take whatever I say with a pinch of salt.

Considering your financial situation, the dire job markets in both Spain and Ireland, would you not be better off searching for a job in Asia? A place such as Korea - have your flights and accom paid, low risk, get some actual teaching experience and then maybe go to the middle east, Spain/South America after?

Although Spain would always be my first choice of places to live, I doubt it would be much fun being broke. And with no experience, the market flooded with teachers, and the timeframe you have designed, it mightn't be such a great idea.

How old are you, 23/24? Get money and experience in Asia for a year, then head to Spain/South America and enjoy yourself. Do a year in both, aim to start your masters in 2011/12. You can even use your time in Asia to learn Spanish if thats what you want.

I'm Irish too, quit my job earlier this year when the recession hit and went to Japan. Hopefully will move to Spain in the future, but only when viable. Buena Suerte
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SirKirby



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Madrid is the best place to find a job..." ?????

Can someone actually provide any evidence for that statement? I think that's poor advice, to say the least. I fail to see why somewhere like Barcelona or Valencia might not be an equally good choice. I can't speak personally for Valencia, but the ELT jobs market in Barcelona seems fairly healthy to me.

In fact, however, in the case of the original poster, without a CELTA or Trinity qualification, I'd give serious consideration to NOT going to Madrid, Barcelona or Valencia, but to somewhere smaller and less popular, where they get far fewer candidates vying for jobs.

I can think of lots of schools which will reject you out of hand if you don't have a "proper" qualification -- it's Celta or Trinity, or an MA, or no job; smaller schools in smaller places have to be much less choosey.
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mozzar



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Madrid is the best place to find a job..." ?????

Can someone actually provide any evidence for that statement? I think that's poor advice, to say the least. I fail to see why somewhere like Barcelona or Valencia might not be an equally good choice. I can't speak personally for Valencia, but the ELT jobs market in Barcelona seems fairly healthy to me.


Just speaking from what I've heard and experienced. Madrid is the biggest city and there are a lot of advertisements.
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SirKirby



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Er... actually Barcelona and Valencia are quite big cities too, and you can find work there as well.

That Madrid is the best place to find work remains totally unproven.
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mozzar



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, Barcelona and Valencia are big but Madrid is still much bigger. It's almost twice as big as Barcelona and almost four times as big as Valencia. Not only that but I've been told that the emphasis in Barcelona is on the local language Catalan (sp?).
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carmo85



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if Madrid is unproven then it is unproven. It's is unproven that I have a chance there aswell, is it not? I will have to just go and see as many schools as possible.If it fails, I come home and go to Estonia or somewhere remote for work.

I appreciate all input but I have heard that I can find work and the opposite, so I just have to find out for myself.

Paul
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SirKirby



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've been told that the emphasis in Barcelona is on the local language Catalan


If you mean that Barcelona is a bilingual society, that's true. But it's not something that has ever stopped someone getting a job as an English teacher.
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carmo85



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a girl on this forum and she is moving from Barcelona to Madrid because she cannot find any work? Maybe, there's more entry level positions in Madrid?
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SirKirby



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't answer for Madrid, but there is definitely work to be had in Barcelona -- though now is not the best time to be looking in either city.

Did the person get interviews and get rejected? If so, chances are the same thing will happen elsewhere...

Or did they not get interviewed at all...?
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mozzar



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe they were American but I'm not sure if this is the overriding reason or not.
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strictly_nicky



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I fail to see why somewhere like Barcelona or Valencia might not be an equally good choice. I can't speak personally for Valencia, but the ELT jobs market in Barcelona seems fairly healthy to me.


Barcelona is still going pretty strong, although in the case of non-EUs, the quasi-"cowboy" operations willing to take a chance on hiring illegals are getting fewer and further between. I don't know 100% but I'm quite sure the market in Valencia is considerably less than in Madrid and Barcelona.

TEFL in Spain is like football here - "una Liga de dos".

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In fact, however, in the case of the original poster, without a CELTA or Trinity qualification, I'd give serious consideration to NOT going to Madrid, Barcelona or Valencia, but to somewhere smaller and less popular, where they get far fewer candidates vying for jobs
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Go to loquo.com and compare the number of job postings under "profesores/formaci�n" for Barcelona and Madrid with the rest of cities, to get an idea. There may be far fewer candidates competing for those jobs, but there are also far fewer jobs. Mostly because of population but also because the nature of the big cities makes them a much more viable place to teach Business English, for example.
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SirKirby



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For someone without an EU passport it has become increasingly difficult to get work at all. Non-EU people used to find work in places that just didn't bother with the papers, but I know of schools that did that but that are now not doing so.

I can't see why it's going to be any easier in such a case to find work in Madrid than it is in Barcelona.
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