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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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| Unless payment is exacted in the form of a year-long one-to-one TOEFL class, I think I'll take the risk and wish this young lad all the best. He won't regret it. I didn't. Some of us really do enjoy TEFL, shock gasp! 'What does the man imply?' |
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80daze
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Location: China
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Hi carmo85 - Hey, I'm Irish too 
Like you I was looking at doing my Masters over there but I thought that you don't get your maintenance loan if you've been or are out of Ireland as they're means tested and they look at what you earned in the last year in Ireland.
Also heard that you must have lived there for the past 3 years to qualify, which means I can't do it 
Any of this true? |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
Posts: 1797
Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 9:18 am Post subject: The Open University master's degree in education |
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| Like you I was looking at doing my Masters over there but I thought that you don't get your maintenance loan if you've been or are out of Ireland as they're means tested and they look at what you earned in the last year in Ireland. Also heard that you must have lived there for the past 3 years to qualify, which means I can't do it. Any of this true? |
I'm afraid so - in order to be eligible for "home" funding, which means E.U. funding in any E.U. country, one has to have been resident in an E.U. country, no matter which one it is and no matter if the course you have applied for is located in a different E.U. country, for the three-year period immediately preceding the start of the course.
For example, if I wanted to start a master's degree programme in September 2010, I would have to prove that I have been resident in the E.U. since September 2007, not necessarily November 2006 if I were applying for the programme now in November 2009.
Alternatively, you could undertake a master's degree in education via online and distance learning while still in China. The Open University, for example, allows students worldwide to undertake its MA in Education/M.Ed. degree programme, even if the worldwide tuition fees for these particular courses are higher than for those based in the E.U.
The link is below in case you are interested.
http://www3.open.ac.uk/study/postgraduate/qualification/f01.htm |
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Deicide
Joined: 29 Jul 2006
Posts: 1005
Location: Caput Imperii Americani
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 11:06 am Post subject: Re: The Open University master's degree in education |
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| Like you I was looking at doing my Masters over there but I thought that you don't get your maintenance loan if you've been or are out of Ireland as they're means tested and they look at what you earned in the last year in Ireland. Also heard that you must have lived there for the past 3 years to qualify, which means I can't do it. Any of this true? |
I'm afraid so - in order to be eligible for "home" funding, which means E.U. funding in any E.U. country, one has to have been resident in an E.U. country, no matter which one it is and no matter if the course you have applied for is located in a different E.U. country, for the three-year period immediately preceding the start of the course.
For example, if I wanted to start a master's degree programme in September 2010, I would have to prove that I have been resident in the E.U. since September 2007, not necessarily November 2006 if I were applying for the programme now in November 2009.
Alternatively, you could undertake a master's degree in education via online and distance learning while still in China. The Open University, for example, allows students worldwide to undertake its MA in Education/M.Ed. degree programme, even if the worldwide tuition fees for these particular courses are higher than for those based in the E.U.
The link is below in case you are interested.
http://www3.open.ac.uk/study/postgraduate/qualification/f01.htm |
This is sadly true. There are some loopholes. I am an EU citizen but when I was applying for my MA back in 2008 I encountered this as my first problem. I applied to 5 different unis in the UK and all but one ended up demanding overseas rates from me despite my EU status. I was working in Korea at the time. I bascially provided all the evidence of having lived in the EU prior and that my stay in Asia was temporary in nature. No one bought it except the University of York, which is where I ended up doing my MA. I fear I am going to have the same problem the next time round...because in order to fund a 2nd MA or something else I am considering I would need to go to the Mideast for 2 or 3 years...considering only one uni in 5 bought my story last time...anyway...another reason not leave the EU....  |
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The Ever-changing Cleric
Joined: 19 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:04 pm Post subject: Re: Positive stories please!!!! |
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I am 24 and I am about to do a TEFL cert in the hope of spending a year and half teaching and earning (of course seeing a bit of the world in the mean time). Every country I research all I see is doom and gloom. I tried Czech Rep and people tell me its "DIRE". I try Mid East and people say "wrong time of the year". I try South America and people say "its terrible pay and you are only surviving". I even have somebody telling me that the whole TEFL thing is a big scam and since I'm young I should be getting another degree?? ARRGGHHH!!!!
Please, someone, anyone tell me some good news. Something, to put the plan back on track. Anything!!!! |
these internet forums for esl teachers always seem to be a bit heavy on the negative side. as one other poster above noted, the people who are enjoying life in their esl jobs probably aren't on here as much as those who aren't enjoying it.
i work at a decent school in china, good pay, good conditions, tons of free time, and no complaints after four years at this place. my first two jobs in china were just so-so, and it can take a bit of time to nail down a decent job but once you do, if you fulfill your end of the bargain, life can be pretty smooth here. give china a try if all else fails. and good luck to you. |
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Chris_Crossley
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:55 am Post subject: Re: Positive stories please!!!! |
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| The Ever-changing Cleric wrote: |
| (...) My first two jobs in China were just so-so, and it can take a bit of time to nail down a decent job but once you do, if you fulfill your end of the bargain, life can be pretty smooth here. Give China a try if all else fails, and good luck to you. |
My first job in China, which I did for two whole years, was certainly so-so, and it didn't help that the local manager who was my immediate line manager for my second year there (the first one got sacked) was an utter control freak who made a complete nonsense out of my so-called "acting director of studies" position.
He basically usurped my authority (what little I had of it) by making decisions of an academic nature behind my back in order not to displease his friends whose children (usually boys) attended young learners' classes and just messed about in them. Our personalities also clashed, which was why I was an acting DOS for 11 months; he only got an outsider to be a "proper" DOS when I told him I was leaving in order to go back to England (which I did).
Ironically, matters improved only when I felt compelled to return to China after just 8 weeks in order to escape unemployment back home when I managed to land a job at a state-run primary school, where I stayed for one good year before coming to my current job where I have stayed for the past 4 1/2 years.
It took time, but matters did work out in the end!  |
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TeacherPreacher
Joined: 17 Nov 2009
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Hi carmo85 - Hey, I'm Irish too
Like you I was looking at doing my Masters over there but I thought that you don't get your maintenance loan if you've been or are out of Ireland as they're means tested and they look at what you earned in the last year in Ireland.
Also heard that you must have lived there for the past 3 years to qualify, which means I can't do it
Any of this true? |
I would also like to hear what carmo85 has to say about this. I'm also Irish but I've been out of the country for years, when I phoned up the Ministry of Ed. they told me they means test and look at the money you made in last 12 months, from October.
Did you already know about this carmo? Do they means test outside Ireland or has all this info put your plans on the skids? |
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TeacherPreacher
Joined: 17 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: Re: The Open University master's degree in education |
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| 80daze wrote: |
| Like you I was looking at doing my Masters over there but I thought that you don't get your maintenance loan if you've been or are out of Ireland as they're means tested and they look at what you earned in the last year in Ireland. Also heard that you must have lived there for the past 3 years to qualify, which means I can't do it. Any of this true? |
I'm afraid so - in order to be eligible for "home" funding, which means E.U. funding in any E.U. country, one has to have been resident in an E.U. country, no matter which one it is and no matter if the course you have applied for is located in a different E.U. country, for the three-year period immediately preceding the start of the course. |
Yes, I had been working abroad and my University asked me if I'd beeen resident all this time in the UK.. I just said yes and they never checked. How would they check anyway? Council Tax? They never asked me. |
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005
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Location: Pittsburgh
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| This is sadly true. There are some loopholes. I am an EU citizen but when I was applying for my MA back in 2008 I encountered this as my first problem. I applied to 5 different unis in the UK and all but one ended up demanding overseas rates from me despite my EU status. I was working in Korea at the time. I bascially provided all the evidence of having lived in the EU prior and that my stay in Asia was temporary in nature. No one bought it except the University of York, which is where I ended up doing my MA. I fear I am going to have the same problem the next time round...because in order to fund a 2nd MA or something else I am considering I would need to go to the Mideast for 2 or 3 years...considering only one uni in 5 bought my story last time...anyway...another reason not leave the EU.... Confused |
So, I how is one suppose to prove they live in the EU?
In the US usually the only consideration for in-state tuition to to show a permanent residence. All you need to do is have a bank account and driver's license with bank account statements going to your parents or brother and sister's home. |
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