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Is a Masters in Education any good without a certification?
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DaveW125



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:40 am    Post subject: Re: 1 1/2-2 years Reply with quote

chinagirl wrote:
That timeline is ridiculous. Go to another state. You can get a master's with state certification in NY in 1.5- 2 years. The cert is worthwhile if you ever want to teach overseas in an international school. Otherwise, the master's by itself will do.

-Chinagirl
MSEd TESOL with K-12 certification (NY)
currently teaching high school ESOL in the public school system
+5 years EFL overseas


Hi,
in your experience would a MA TESOL or TEYL be enough to get into a teaching role in the ESL department of an international school or would a teacher cert be required as well?

thanks
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chinagirl



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 12:55 am    Post subject: international school Reply with quote

For an international school that caters to expats, you'd have to have a teaching certificate in 99% of schools. There actually aren't that many ESL teachers in true international schools because most of the students speak English already. If you were in an "international school" that catered largely to locals but had a curriculum in English, you might be able to get away without one. There are a growing number of schools that fit this category.

If you are interested in teaching children, you really would be wise to get the K-12 certificate. If you focus on adults it is an entirely different course of studies IMO.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There actually aren't that many ESL teachers in true international schools because most of the students speak English already.


I am not sure that is true. Yes, there are more math teachers than ESL teachers but in places like Shanghai, many students don't speak English as their first language and thus need extra help with English.
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natsume



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeterDragon wrote:
Unfortunately, my general search for the exact requirements of each state has been virtually fruitless and slow.

Is there a good online directory for this sort of thing? Or do I just need to call state education departments?



http://education.uky.edu/AcadServ/content/50-states-certification-requirements

I don't think you can get around slogging through the various state Dept. of Ed. sites. They seem to all have links to the various Colleges of Education in that state, and it is there that you can get a look at what exactly will be required.

I took a look at Madison. Insanity!

I plan on returning to California (if it's still there) in a couple of years and entering one of the UC programs that offer a dual MA/Credential in one jam-packed, you-can't-work-while-doing-it year. The opportunity cost is something to consider, but I find the idea of getting it over with in a year very appealing. (You do have to pass the basic skills and subject matter competency tests to get into these, I did them earlier this year on a trip home. The two programs I am looking at also have 1 prereq class each, easy to find via distance, and I already took one of those. Good practice for the real world of hoop jumping that getting credentialed anywhere seems to entail.)
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chinagirl



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: to JZer Reply with quote

Just to respond to your post, I said there were not *that many* ESOL teachers in true international schools. Many of the top international schools do not offer much ESOL support, particularly past the elementary grades. The assumption is that the native language is English.

Shanghai may be an exception, but this was certainly the case in Japan.
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