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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
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Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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| I'm not the only one, and it can be done. Heck, I did it. |
When was it that you did it... things change and as you say yourself its often case by case. Yours allowed it. Mine, and our three neighbouring ones didn't. How is anyone arriving supposed to predict whether their yakusho is going to be difficult or not?
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Sorry, but this is unrealistic.
You arrive in Japan with your COE in hand. It gets taken care of at immigration upon entry. You will not be expected to work the next day, so go to immigration then. Should it be a weekend, it's a simple matter to explain to the employer you need the time. With eikaiwas, you usually don't work in the mornings, so there you go! Plenty of time. Even I live 2.5 hours from the nearest immigration office and could make the round trip for that. Getting the reentry permit itself takes about 10 minutes if you bought it in advance. |
How do you register without an address? Because thats what many people would be trying to do if the have some sort of training to attend before heading to their placement area.
How do you get a re-entry permit without your ARC in hand? Some people have some down time, but with some yakusho taking 2-3 weeks to sort out your card, you may very well be at work by time its ready.
Some people live near their immigration, some people don't. Some could manage it in a morning, others couldn't. And it can take alot longer than 10mins to get the permit if its even slightly busy. How are people supposed to know how busy it will be the day they head up?
You make everything seem so much more simplier than it can often be. I think it's unrealistic you telling everyone that you can do things so easily when there are so many factors that will make things alittle more complicated. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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Location: Tokyo, Japan
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| Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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You will not be expected to work the next day, so go to immigration then.
Getting the reentry permit itself takes about 10 minutes if you bought it in advance.
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I'd like to point out that someone arriving in a new country for the first time may not be in a position to just head over to Immigration on their first full day in the country. I know that when I first arrived in Japan, age 20, fresh out of university, first time I had been anywhere other than Australia by myself, I probably wouldn't have been able to get that sort of thing done on my first day in Japan- it would have been far too overwhelming.
As for getting the re-entry permit in 10 minutes- while possible perhaps, you couldn't rely on this being the case at the Tokyo Regional Immigration office. Chances are there are 50-100 people who arrived before you, all waiting for their re-entry permits. I renewed mine recently, and waited more than half an hour before my number was called- I believe there were 53 people with numbers lower than mine. I have got it faster before, but coming in before work could be risky. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| seklarwia wrote: |
| Glenski wrote: |
| I'm not the only one, and it can be done. Heck, I did it. |
When was it that you did it... things change and as you say yourself its often case by case. Yours allowed it. Mine, and our three neighbouring ones didn't. How is anyone arriving supposed to predict whether their yakusho is going to be difficult or not? |
We've already established that this is case by case.
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Glenski: Sorry, but this is unrealistic.
You arrive in Japan with your COE in hand. It gets taken care of at immigration upon entry. You will not be expected to work the next day, so go to immigration then. Should it be a weekend, it's a simple matter to explain to the employer you need the time. With eikaiwas, you usually don't work in the mornings, so there you go! Plenty of time. Even I live 2.5 hours from the nearest immigration office and could make the round trip for that. Getting the reentry permit itself takes about 10 minutes if you bought it in advance.
How do you register without an address? Because thats what many people would be trying to do if the have some sort of training to attend before heading to their placement area.
How do you get a re-entry permit without your ARC in hand? |
If you come with a COE in hand, as my example states, you must have some address already, perhaps provided by the employer. If not provided, just list the employer himself and change the address later when you get an apartment.
When you apply for the ARC, you get a temporary paper copy. Use that.
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| Some people live near their immigration, some people don't. Some could manage it in a morning, others couldn't. And it can take alot longer than 10mins to get the permit if its even slightly busy. How are people supposed to know how busy it will be the day they head up? |
I'm not saying this works for everyone, but look at what I wrote. I myself don't live near the immigration office and can do it in a morning. A very full busy morning, I admit, but 5 hours round trip, and it was still doable.
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| I'd like to point out that someone arriving in a new country for the first time may not be in a position to just head over to Immigration on their first full day in the country. I know that when I first arrived in Japan, age 20, fresh out of university, first time I had been anywhere other than Australia by myself, I probably wouldn't have been able to get that sort of thing done on my first day in Japan- it would have been far too overwhelming. |
I completely understand, but look at it this way. If you don't get this done right away, you are probably going to be working illegally. Want that?
I came and was as tired as anyone on my first full day here. My coworkers took me in because they knew I didn't have any idea of the lay of the land, or of what was important or how to do it. Your employer should be made aware of all this. That is what I am trying to say, not that things are easy.
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| As for getting the re-entry permit in 10 minutes- while possible perhaps, you couldn't rely on this being the case at the Tokyo Regional Immigration office. Chances are there are 50-100 people who arrived before you, all waiting for their re-entry permits. I renewed mine recently, and waited more than half an hour before my number was called |
Are you really picking nits over 20 minutes difference?! C'mon. If it's not busy, 10-30 minutes. If it's busy, yes, obviously longer, but we've already established certain logistics here, and given readers a heads-up announcement to plan ahead. I think collectively we're providing the readers with the information they need. Let's not quibble over this any longer.
If someone goes in at 3:45 (15 minutes before immigration closes), they have not thought things out or read enough in advance. There's only so much we can do on these forums to direct people to prepare properly. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
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Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:30 am Post subject: |
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When you apply for the ARC, you get a temporary paper copy. Use that.
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In March, we were given a paper that is a receipt of sorts that we bring back during the date period printed to exchange for our card. Other than that its worthless which we found the hard way when we tried to open a bank account. So we head back to the yakusho and find that there is a 2nd piece of paper which you can buy and can use to set up a bank accounts, then to get a mobile.
But even that second certificate is not valid form of id and will not be accepted as proof of registering by the police (found that out the first time I was stopped) and cannot be used to get a re-entry permit (one of summer arrivals tried).
Our yakusho is not the most forthcoming with info and only by asking for the document by name do you stand a chance of getting what you need. So if you know of a third certificate new arrivals should ask for, then you may be saving people a lot of time and hassle.
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If you come with a COE in hand, as my example states, you must have some address already, perhaps provided by the employer. If not provided, just list the employer himself and change the address later when you get an apartment.
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They may have used the company address to apply for the COE since I hadn't even arrived in the country yet, nor had my address been finalised. But when I registered, they were very clear that not only did they want to know the name and address of my employer, but that they wanted to know where I would be staying. So no, the company address alone would not have sufficed here. Perhaps elsewhere they allow it.
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| I'm not saying this works for everyone, but look at what I wrote. I myself don't live near the immigration office and can do it in a morning. A very full busy morning, I admit, but 5 hours round trip, and it was still doable. |
I did read what you said, but perhaps you didn't read what I did. You still can't predict how busy the immigration is going to be. If people don't live so close, sure they might be able to do the round trip before work, but unless they get lucky, it could turn into an expensive waste of time.
I, too, live about 2.5 hours from immigration. The round trip will set you back 3000 yen. I'm luck in that alternatively I can get the shinkansen up cutting total travel time from 5 hrs to 2, leaving ample time to wait around if immigration is busy. Of course, that comes at a cost, and not everyone has the same travel alternative. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| seklarwia wrote: |
| Glenski wrote: |
When you apply for the ARC, you get a temporary paper copy. Use that.
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In March, we were given a paper that is a receipt of sorts that we bring back during the date period printed to exchange for our card. Other than that its worthless which we found the hard way when we tried to open a bank account. So we head back to the yakusho and find that there is a 2nd piece of paper which you can buy and can use to set up a bank accounts, then to get a mobile. |
Some people have reported that the "receipt" (certificate of registered matters) has been successful in setting up a bank account or phone. Obviously, mileage varies, and in your area (Tokyo?) it didn't work for you and people you know.
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| But even that second certificate is not valid form of id and will not be accepted as proof of registering by the police (found that out the first time I was stopped) and cannot be used to get a re-entry permit (one of summer arrivals tried). |
Proof of registering what with the police? One's residence? This type of registering is not a priority in the first day or so here, unlike what we are discussing.
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| They may have used the company address to apply for the COE since I hadn't even arrived in the country yet, nor had my address been finalised. But when I registered, they were very clear that not only did they want to know the name and address of my employer, but that they wanted to know where I would be staying. So no, the company address alone would not have sufficed here. Perhaps elsewhere they allow it. |
Just curious, where did you stay until you had an apartment? Why had the employer not set you up? |
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