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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know. I'd still take Asian students over Latin American ones any day.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kalima Shahada wrote:
I've spent many years in various different countries in Asia (Korea, China, the Philippines, Singapore, Japan, Thailand, Cambodia, Lao, Myanmar, Malaysia, Taiwan, Hong Kong),


Were you working there?

I went to a MacMillian conference and they said that in 10 years, the largest English speaking country will be . . . China Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
Kalima Shahada wrote:
I've spent many years in various different countries in Asia (Korea, China, the Philippines, Singapore, Japan, Thailand, Cambodia, Lao, Myanmar, Malaysia, Taiwan, Hong Kong),


Were you working there?


I worked in these countries and I'll give my honest opinion:

China: The pay is terrible! There are jobs, but who is interested in working full-time for a meager $500/month? If the pay is over 10,000 yuan, you are most likely working in Shanghai and the people there take great pride in being agressive liars. Honest employers in China are rare! However, the Chinese are far less prejudice against non-whites than any other Asian country I've ever been to. I worked with people from all over the world and the students didn't seem to care what color of skin or nationality their teacher came from. As for the expats, they were the best expats I have ever known! We looked out for each other and stuck together!

Korea: The pay is good! There are plenty of jobs but you can never expect to be treated with respect in this country simply because you don't look Korean. If you look Korean and you speak Korean, you should not have too many problems. The arrogance, rudeness of the culture, sexism to extremes, basic lack of civility, overt racism, crazy homeless people, agressiveness etc. are all enough to drive a person away and most people are glad to leave.

Thailand: The pay is between China and Korea. There are plenty of jobs, but very few good ones. The 'teachers' are some of the worst kind of expats you could ever imagine. Most are backpackers with fake degrees who are staying in Thailand for less than honorable reasons. I wouldn't trust most of them with a pencil! The students are a joke! None of them are serious about education. They think learning English is all about fun and games and they wonder why they never improve. The teacher is required to keep the students laughing and smiling at all times. It is NOT important that they learn to speak English and the school admin. will boldly tell you this to your face! MOD EDIT

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

I lived in Cambodia and the Philippines. I didn't care for the Philippines. I love Cambodia VERY much, but there aren't enough jobs there. The people are so eager to learn English and they are really good at it too! Singapore and Japan are really nice, but the cost of living is way to high! Japan is no longer a hot place for teachers to go as the opportunites have become slim for newbies and the salaries haven't kept up with the inflation.

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I went to a MacMillian conference and they said that in 10 years, the largest English speaking country will be . . . China Smile

China? I doubt it! Maybe they will have quite a few people who can say their ABCs, but to think they will have most of the population up and talking in English with each other is really laughable. The Philippines and Singapore had the right idea to make English their working language and to teach their subjects all in English from grade 1-12 and at the universities. Schools in both countries take eduction very seriously and I think that's the way to go! China hasn't even remotely considered doing the same and they don't think it necessary for them to learn English unless it's for a job.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember, though- if only 1/4 of the population of China learns English, China will contain more English speakers than the US.

If 60% of their population learns English, they'll outnumber all the native speakers in the world by a good margin.

(Which is not to say that I think this will happen.)

Without a doubt, the country with the largest number of English speakers is, now and for the near future, India.


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Justin

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Jobs Reply with quote

I found it pretty easy to find jobs in a number of Asia countries, particularly China and Korea. One way to find available jobs is to look through larger companies like English First and the Wall Street Institute. You might also try Susan Griffith's Teaching English Abroad. It has contact information for a number of schools and companies, broken down by country. Also, anyone with a CELTA could apply to any International House franchise or language school that administers the CELTA. These schools will know of the value of your certificate and method in which you've been trained. You might also want to try a recruiting agency such as Reach to Teach or Teach Away. As far as I know, they charge the schools.

The country I see advertised here the most on the jobs boards in Saudi Arabia. It seems that it is fairly easy to get in with little experience, but the advertised pay tends to be lower ($2,000/mo) if you fall into that category.

There are still plenty of jobs available for those with basic qualifications, such as a BA and/or TESOL certificate. Good luck!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found at the top of the General Discussion Forum:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=64186
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TwinCentre



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the TEFL market is waning globally? That is at least what the British Council seemed to be saying when I worked for them a few years ago, especially with regards to adults.

I believe that the better opportunities now for TEFLlers is in private teaching. You can undercut the schools and offer flexibility. Get yourself a good flat in any major non-English speaking city on this planet (with a few obvious exceptions!), get a good cancelation policy, get a good website pointing at local google search engine results, sell yourself well and off you go! Your walk to work from the kitchen to your teaching room will be about 3 steps! In Japan, half a step.

Well, that's what I did, I haven't been back to a school since, and I don't even speak the local language other than the basics. I earn almost as much as I did at the British Council and I work from the comfort of my own home, and nip out between classes to meet other teacher friends for coffee...who are usually on route to one of the various schools they have to traipse across the city to get to each day.
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steki47



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
I don't know. I'd still take Asian students over Latin American ones any day.


Care to explain why? Feel free to generalize like crazy. Very Happy

After teaching in Japan for 6 years, I have had a handful of Brazilian students. They were a fun exception to the norm in a Japanese conversation class. The Brazilians were generally chatty, asked questions and took chances. They spoke up and were not overly self-conscious about making mistakes. They improved rapidly and were a lot of fun to teach.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Demand Reply with quote

there is still EFFECTIVE DEMAND (remember Economics 101) for competent, qualified, experinced and sane Male EFL teachers in Saudi Arabia.

Reasonable employers - mostly in the State Sector - are always looking for good candidates.

Why work in China for US$750 a month when you can get four times that in the KofSA ?


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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear scot47,

"there is still EFFECTIVE DEMAND (remember Economics 101) for competent, qualified, experinced and sane Male EFL teachers in Saudi Arabia."

Good thing the "sane" part was added only after your arrival. Very Happy

As for why some (males) might prefer China to Saudi, despite the disparity in salary, well, just how old ARE you (I know, - almost 63?) There may be certain "attractions" (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) available in China that are definitely NOT so in Saudi.
Regards,
John
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Johnslat

I concede that it may be easier to find partners for Mah Jong in China.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear scot47,

Actually, I was thinking more of Chinese Checkers. Very Happy

"Chinese Checkers is a board game that can be played by two to six people."

While it may be a "board game," I rather doubt that any of the "two to six participants" are ever bored while playing.

Regards,
John
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