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Which ALT company would you choose?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imseriouslylost wrote:
How easy are non-teaching positions to get in Japan? If I wanted to do something *other* than teaching? Not for this year or next, but I'm curious about later down the road if I choose to stay.
What did you intend to work at? Most non-teaching jobs require about JLPT2 Japanese fluency, some experience and education that a local person does not have.

Recruiting jobs are usually on commission, which is not something I'd prefer to live on. Cafe jobs pay bottom level wages, and there is no tipping in Japan, plus there is the issue of getting visa sponsorship.
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Pmedix



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is it about those companies that makes them bad to work for?
What companies would you recommend?

Thanks
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All dispatchers and eikawa are money hungry businesses first, second and third, and care more about profit than they do about educating the people of Japan in English.

You will often see very mixed employee reviews on dispatchers. There are people like me, who have no real complaints about my employer; they pay on time, they pay what they promise, they pay me extra for anything outside of what was in my contract, they leave me alone but are quick in responding to my queries when I make them.

But in a different branch of the same company, you'll have very unhappy employees who receive the exact opposite of the conditions I just described.

No dispatch company is perfect and it's hard to recommend any, because whether you have decent or nightmare time working for them is really going to depend on which branch you are assigned to, which you will likely have very little control over.

Pretty much the same applies to any of the big eikawa.

Borderlink and RCS seem to be the worst of the worst when it comes to dispatchers.

One of our fellow ALTs here is currently working for RCS and being screwed over royally. They were formally a JET and were told they would be getting paid the standard 25man when they started working for them... they lied. They don't get 25man, they don't get reimbursements, they are paying over inflated rent in company housing and because they were earning 30man as a JET before, their NHI payments are eating a substantial chunk of what little they have remaining in the way of pay.
Basically, if RCS will not give them a raise come April and they can't find a better job elsewhere, they are going to have to go home.

Borderlink used to have some absolutely shocking reviews, with some of the worst being avaliable on their own website. But somebody at head office must have looked at their review section one day, because suddenly the site was revamped and the review section removed completely.
The only thing I can search out quickly is:
http://www.jobvent.com/borderlink-job-reviews-C15279

I would have thought that there might be some reviews on this forum, but the search function is just giving me a tiny error message on a blank page.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other major complaints about dispatch agencies include the following:

1. They operate illegally (no licenses for most), but the government does nothing about it.

2. They have taken away jobs from other contracted teachers. This has decreased due to union activity recently, but it still happens.

3. They often make promises about "performance bonuses", then renege on the deal after citing overly picky and sometimes fictitious claims against the teacher.

4. As with #3, they make promises of end-of-year stability in jobs, then claim that the teacher has not worked a full year there, short by just a day or week because of last-minute changes by the dispatch company itself.

5. Dispatch companies continue to make the same money from their clients even when the teachers are on break, yet the teachers (knowingly from contract clauses) get reduced (perhaps only 60%) of their regular pay.

6. Some dispatch companies avoid making shakai hoken copayments, claiming their teachers are not employees but merely "subcontractors".

Eikaiwas may have similar claims against them (although I have not heard of #6), but one more is that because of the number of hours in a classroom (not total per week, including prep time and other duties), the teacher is considered a part-timer and therefore not subject to shakai hoken! It's a legal loophole, but such employers need to be made to see the simple fact that if they hire teachers, their work entails more than classroom time and should be compensated accordingly.

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What companies would you recommend?
It may depend on just how sensitive you are to any of the above issues. Some people have good luck with their "mom and pop" eikaiwa or with a certain branch of dispatch, as seklarwia wrote. Or you could go with a big eikaiwa like ECC or AEON and hope for the best in the way of branch offices. Those two were usually ranked as better than GEOS or NOVA, although as pointed out earlier, no employer is perfect.

If you can't come here to shop around, then you are going to be limited to employers who recruit from abroad, and that limits your scope seriously, but there may be nothing else you can do. Even if you can come here to job hunt, I hope you realize that despite your physical presence counting for something, it's still going to be fairly tough finding work in today's market.

Are you limiting yourself further, say perhaps to a certain area of Japan, or a certain kind of teaching (e.g., kids only), or in some other way (e.g., bringing a girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse/child/pet)?
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Pmedix



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your great responses guys, very helpful.

I currently work for the government of Canada, so I am not accustomed to being manipulated or deceived. Our union would quickly rectify that. We get exactly what is in the contract. I wouldn't be happy with any of those slights, especially when in a new county and unable to speak the language.

I am starting to get a bad taste in my mouth and I haven't even started to teach yet LOL. My instructor at my TESOL cert course stated over and over again that there are tonnes of jobs everywhere, that its stacked in the teachers favor....its so easy to find work...yet from what I have read on different sections on this site, it sounds like those days are long gone and jobs (quality jobs) are hard to come by.

I don't even know if I will be considered in Japan. I have a 2 yr College diploma and a TESOL. I was thinking that with a Working Holiday Visa I could work in Japan, but I may be forced to go to China or another country that does not demand a degree.

Is it possible for me to get hired in Japan? If so would I be forced into a company such as above?
My TESOL instructor said to find a well run mom and pop school. That is really what I am looking for, only I cant tell what schools are what by the job posts. How do you tell?

Thanks again!
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pmedix wrote:
I don't even know if I will be considered in Japan. I have a 2 yr College diploma and a TESOL.
Probably not for a work visa. You might try bluffing your way through, claiming the diploma was actually equivalent to a degree. Worst that could happen was that you'd be denied the visa, but since you have to have a job being offered first, that might disappoint the employer. A combination of training and diploma might help tip the odds, but I think you'll need more than just a TESOL certificate to do that.

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I was thinking that with a Working Holiday Visa I could work in Japan, but I may be forced to go to China or another country that does not demand a degree.
A WHV will let you work in Japan. Being able to find the job itself may not be as easy as you think. At least with a WHV you could start work immediately, instead of waiting 4-8 weeks for a work visa to be processed, and you wouldn't need the employer to sponsor your visa (some don't), and you could start out by taking PT work (which newbies in most cases can't do).

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Is it possible for me to get hired in Japan? If so would I be forced into a company such as above?
You're going to have to start at the bottom rung on the ladder, which means eikaiwa instructor or dispatch ALT. And, right now it's very competitive.

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My TESOL instructor said to find a well run mom and pop school. That is really what I am looking for, only I cant tell what schools are what by the job posts. How do you tell?
If there are no chains or branches, that's one possible sign. Some ads may actually say the place is run by a couple. Otherwise, you'll have to post a name here and hope someone knows it. Doesn't matter much if you are trying to go the work visa route, for reasons I've already explained, so you'd have to get a WHV. That means coming here to look around, because those small outfits don't advertise abroad, and just coming cold like that means you need to have money in pocket to support yourself first.

When did you want to start working?
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ShioriEigoKyoushi



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pmedix



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski:

Very well explained. I am starting to come back to reality.
What do you think is causing the flood in Japan? Is an end in sight and how does one overcome it? (the million dollar question) Maybe the only way to get over it is to have been there 10 years ago.

I will leave Canada in early to mid March, wherever that ends up being.

My criteria for my destination are as follows, in a perfect world:
-able to bank some money
-warm climate (as I am coming from a life in Canada lol)
-ease of meeting friendly locals and expats
-can work without a degree
-clean and fun city, preferably close to water (surfing, scuba diving)

My list of places currently is China , Thailand, Japan, Indonesia, Singapore, Philippines, Ukraine,

ShioriEigoKyoushi:

You are very right about that! I am a newb to this industry, but even I can tell this well oiled machine has been running for a while. Perhaps I am coming in at the tail end of it. I think that there is still worthwhile opportunities for those who go for what they want.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pmedix wrote:
What do you think is causing the flood in Japan?
A couple of things.

1. The economy elsewhere is causing people to lose jobs or reevaluate their careers. I've seen half a dozen or so lawyers (or fresh law school grads) asking about teaching EFL in Japan, along with nurses and engineers and a plethora of IT people.

2. The November 2008 demise of NOVA didn't help. When they went bankrupt and put 5000 people out of work, some went home but many stayed here. G-com took many of them in, but others moved laterally into other teaching opportunities.

3. The rise of ALT dispatch companies. This has a couple of effects. One, it opens doors to people who want jobs. Applicants therefore apply. Two, it pushes out many of the JET programme ALTs, so people who may have been interested in that will have to look toward other avenues to get work, whether with a dispatch company or other place.

4. The lower salaries. Yes, lower salaries may actually attract people. Who, you ask? Well, there have been quite a few people in the past couple of years posting queries on forums like this about finding work without any degrees. They (and others) are desperate enough to take anything they can get, thus perpetuating the lower salary situations. There also may be more people from developing nations like Kenya who are actually willing to take the lower pay because it is still high to them!

5. Poor conditions elsewhere. Case in point, there seem to be a lot of people posting lately about wanting to leave Korea to come to Japan.

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Is an end in sight and how does one overcome it? (the million dollar question) Maybe the only way to get over it is to have been there 10 years ago.
Even those of us who have been here a decade or more are finding work situations harder and harder, but at least we have established ourselves and know more of the lay of the land. As for an end in sight, if I had such a crystal ball, I'd be playing the stock market instead of speculating on EFL worlds. The government in Japan changes its mind on English education every time it gets a new PM, and that has happened a lot in the past few years! Japan also doesn't seem to understand that it needs foreign workers of all kinds here, to counter the declining birthrate. It also doesn't seem to have an organized sense of how to install English into the educational system. That's a long story not worth going into in depth. Suffice it to say that the poor conditions are probably not going to improve in the near future, IMO. Will the glut of teachers subside? I can't say. There always seem to be people who are interested in backpacking their way through teaching EFL.

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I will leave Canada in early to mid March, wherever that ends up being.
Early March would be better.

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My criteria for my destination are as follows, in a perfect world:
-able to bank some money
-warm climate (as I am coming from a life in Canada lol)
-ease of meeting friendly locals and expats
-can work without a degree
-clean and fun city, preferably close to water (surfing, scuba diving)

How much money?
For warm, think of anything from Tokyo on south.
Meeting people is entirely up to you, but bigger cities obviously have more people.
No degree is a serious detriment. Being Canadian, you might qualify for a working holiday visa (good for only a year once in your life), but you'd have to see if you qualify.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/w_holiday/index.html
If not, then no degree usually means no work visa unless you can prove you have 3 years of related work experience, or unless you want to work PT under a student visa or cultural activities visa.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/index.html
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flyer



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

one good thing about dispatch companies (perhaps only a small thing?)
is they hire people over 30. I have heard of people in their 50's working there.
From what I understand JET doesn't. So yes, a private hire ALT (like me) is best but, but if I couldn't get a private hire job (and there just isn't enough of them to go around it seems?) a dispatch is the last resort (I am too old for JET).
After all, a job is better than no job, at least, you can work and look around for something better
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which ALT company would you choose?

It's not a company, but I would (did) choose the JET Programme.

JET has an age limit of 40. It's becoming more and more common for people in their 30s to be offered a position with the JET Programme.

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fat_chris
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Deep Thirteen



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pmedix wrote:

My criteria for my destination are as follows, in a perfect world:
-able to bank some money
-warm climate (as I am coming from a life in Canada lol)
-ease of meeting friendly locals and expats
-can work without a degree
-clean and fun city, preferably close to water (surfing, scuba diving)



You should check out Taiwan.
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monchi01



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:39 am    Post subject: which city to live in Reply with quote

mhard1 wrote:
Hey I just wanted to post my opinion on your question. I currently work for RCS, and have been here for the last 8 months or so. I think they are a pretty good company and I have not had any problems. One piece of advice is to make sure you bring enough money with you to get by for the first few months. PM me if you need more advice.




hey mhard1 i just got a job offer from rcs and i'd like to PM you but i haven't posted 5 times which i think is pretty bunk. can you PM me? also, can you go into more detail about your experience thus far, and can you offer any advice? can you put me in touch with any current or former RCS teachers so i can get their perspective?

in addition, they listed a bunch of possibilities where they may have openings and i have to tell them my top three. the options are below...can you provide any insight as to which cities i should choose (your top 3) and why? i want to live in a big city with lots to do and lots of character. also if anyone else has any opinions please let me know. thanks!

Saitama Prefecture

Hanno
Hidaka
Higashi Matsuyama
Iruma
Konosu
Okegawa
Kumagaya
Miyashiro
Shiraoka
Yorii
Ogawa-machi
Yoshimi
Honjo
Kamisato
Yoshikawa (possible new area)
Fujimino (possible new area)
Toda (possible new area)
Kawaguchi
Koshigaya (possible new area)
Asaka

Gunma Prefecture

Isesaki
Maebashi
Oizumi
Ota
Takasaki
Fujioka (possible new area)

Nagano Prefecture

Okaya (possible new area)

Kanagawa Prefecture

Hiratsuka (possible new area)
Odawara (possible new area)
Isehara (possible new area)
Chigasaki (possible new area)

Chiba Prefecture

Chiba City (possible new area)

Tokyo Area

Arakawa
Nishi Tokyo
Daito
Edogawa
Chiyoda
Misato
Higashi Yamato (possible new area)
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