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Pauleddy



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:08 am    Post subject: !! Reply with quote

Another thing on this thread---

Some people hope that the US Embassy will "validate" the company.

Apart from advising on how to avoid criminal activity and giving general guidelines, Embassies will not "validate" companies. If there have been criminal charges made via the Thai police, and it is in the interest of US citizens, then the embassy may have some kind of list. There are 000s of scams and stuff here.

I'm a Limey. If I go to the Brit Embassy and I ask them to check out a private firm for me, they will advise me to check out the insane asylum. Embassies have much to do. I am sure that the USA embassy doesn't have a guy who sits all day checking small-time schools and small scams. If I am mistaken, pls accept my apologies, but some people seem to live in cuckoo land on here.

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perfectweapon



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FUD71

Please do not be put off Thailand is a great place to work, and most of the staff either at a uni or school are friendly. It is just the same as most places that you work at bad people, and good people. Overall it is good at least I enjoy it very much.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NW the Thai culture is a must for all of Thailand who don�t teach at uni level, and if the school is inspected by whomever, and they find that somebody does not have this certificated then the school has a problem. I don�t know what they would do to the foreigner.

Yes I agree with you about the different provinces, but this has to do with immigration, so someone must be paying somebody off.

I think that you are correct about the year 2003
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perfectweapon



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pauleddy all Embassies are there for one thing only to get you a new passport, and to charge you a lot of money for it. Sometimes that is a big task for them.
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BeyondSteveo



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey

I had been offered this same gig...what should we do to send this message out in order to protect others from Mr. Jeremy Rice (who is an American by the way) ...because i am convinced that this is a scam also...

thanks as well everyone has been a real help.

This is an email from the US embassy in Bk:

I have searched from Business On-line database and do not find this company registered under Business Development Department, Ministry of Commerce in Thailand. Therefore, I am not sure that this company is trust worthy company.

Hope the above information might be useful to you.
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MaiPenRai



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Thai culture course is a must if you are teaching lower than a University, and you have to pay for it. One of my friends went to get his visa, and guess what he did not get it, because he did not have the certificated to say that he attended the Thai culture course.

If you have not got one then don�t say anything about it, but I also think there was something about if you had been teaching for so many years before the course came into effect they you did not have to get one


Perfect, I know plenty about the Thai culture course. In fact I was involved in its creation/re-creation (I am sorry to say) back in 2003-04 or around then. I spoke with many schools, provincial and national admins and commitees discussing what I was doing for private companies and schools at that time (seminars/workshops that had elements of Thai culture, cultural differences in the workplace and basic education/teaching/TEFL). I dropped out of the process after I realized where they were going with it, i.e) not educational and useful for teachers, but "fluff culture" and a "money grab". I think I have the necessary information to discuss the relevance/legitimacy/legality of said course.

I do not fall into the category you stated above as I left for 2 years in 07-08 to work back home.

As with most things in the Thai system, it depends on who you speak to, when you speak to them, who you know, what names you can drop, what the officer had for breakfast that morning, how much you smile, what province or region you are in, what type of school/company you work for, who your school knows, etc, etc, etc. Even if you quote something legal, it doesn't mean much in the actual daily application of said "law" or "rule" in Thailand.

To return to the OP, the point that was being addressed was the fact the recruiter/school being questioned was charging nearly $1000 for Visa/WP and Culchur course, which is theft and not necessary to do from abroad. I fhe has to do the course once here, his school/company should be resposible for arranging it ofr him/her and a good school/company should also pay for it. A decent school/company would easily be able to get a Non-IMM B visa without the course by getting an excemption (sp?) or extension.

Stories of friends are not really helpful because you could talk to 5 teachers working in Thailand right now and get 5 different answers regarding Visas, WP's, Culchur courses, licenses, documents required, etc, etc.

Again, DO NOT PAY MONEY to get a job in Thailand. A deposit for a legitimate TEFL course should be the only reason to pay anything from abroad.
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perfectweapon



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaiPenRai isn�t that what I just said that it depends on who has been paid off as with most things in Thailand. Unfortunately/ fortunately I do not know anything about the culture course and the length of time it takes it as I never had to take it, but from what I have been told by friends it is a waste of time as is stated it is a scam for certain people to get rich. I agree that if you are new to Thailand and you are taking up teaching then you should be introduced to something on the culture, as all countries have different cultures. I personally feel that if the school/company wants you to take the course then they should pay. Just like the work permit/visa if they want you to work for them then the company/school should pay.

I happened to be in the immigration office in BKK when one gentleman was turned away, because he did not have the certificated and this was last year. So it is being enforced in certain cases.

Very correct do not pay money to get a job in Thailand or any other country.
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Pauleddy



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:00 pm    Post subject: Embassies. Reply with quote

I don't know where PW comes from, but the UK embassy does more than renew passports. It does a lot of stuff, including visas, hospital and prison stuff, liaison, deaths, births of expat. kids, repatriation, locating, interviews for spouses and 100 other things. Sure, some of it u pay for (like a passport). Sometimes, what it does can be exasperating or slow.

It won't investigate small firms or schools for you, or be your private gopher--just like it won't give you free money to go home. I take the point above that some embassies may keep a dbase of large and legit firms based on registration with Dept of Commerce, but small scams would not be noted unless they became big and criminal with many complaints (etc.)

Sorry. I am making a point only. I am also guilty of bickering which is leading away from the OP topic. mea culpa.

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perfectweapon



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pauleddy I could reply, but it would be wise for me not to. Stick to what the post is about.
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Pauleddy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:56 am    Post subject: hehe Reply with quote

If you could reply, it would only be to further my point. You stated that Embassies exist only to give passports and charge a lot for them. Eny Fule Know this clearly not true. I am correcting your mistake in case some people need Embassy help but are doubtful about seeking it now after reading your post.

As to sticking to the original point: this was the legitimacy of World Wide Teacher Intl Inc. Certain people veered off the topic and the cultural course became the main focus. Methinks I can hear the distant tinkling of pots and clanking of kettles.

The OP seems satisfied with our erudition and experience, and has decided not to pursue a job with this firm. End of story. End of knee-jerks. Mods should lock this thread. I won't be posting to it any more. My job is done.

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