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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Apsara wrote: |
I thought most ALT jobs didn't require teaching qualifications either? Perhaps I was wrong.
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They don't require them, but most people have them and therefore the chance of getting a job (one that pays more than an eikaiwa) with no further qualifications is dropping.
Except for JET. |
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Imseriouslylost
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 123 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
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| Randomly, why do so many people work in Eikaiwas? |
Because it doesn't take any qualifications to get an eikaiwa job. All one needs is a BA/BS degree in anything.
As for sounding terrible, realize that many/most are just edutainment centers. Follow the school's format, keep the customers happy and paying, and you're ok. What does it take? Following the format, smiling and giving customers a sense that they are having fun, perhaps even learning a tad of English at the same time. Many eikaiwa students are housewives who just want 60-80 minutes of freedom from cleaning and shopping and cooking, or are retirees looking to socialize once a week. |
Hmm. ALT doesn't require any teaching qualifications either. I only have a BA and a couple years experience in Korea and I was able to secure an ALT job. |
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Sadebugo
Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 524
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:29 am Post subject: Re: Are students polite in Japan? |
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Just had the class from hell today, here in Korea.
I had tried every discipline tactic in the book and I carry around a very large discipline book (mentally of course). It was a small, extremely low level girls class and they were bonkers because it was Friday afternoon. The entire class was discipline, I hard even broke the seal on my lesson plan which is somewhat rare for me. They were all talking, some were screaming, some were running around... a couple screeched (you know, those really high pitched screeches kids do). Chairs got moved around, tables got flipped and I almost lost my temper.
Imagine kids running around in circles with their arms up in the air, screeching. Now imagine bigger kids doing it (I teach High School). This is what it was.
This isn't common, mind you. Most of my classes are alright. I usually can manage to run a tight ship.
I've just been wondering if High School/Middle School students in Japan *can* be like this. I consider myself a teacher who can discipline a class effectively when necessary yet every once and awhile I get a class like this that is just uncontrollable. Their homeroom teacher was in the classroom with me at the time and she advised me just to let them go as she couldn't control them either.
The thing is, especially in classes with foreigner teacher, the kids don't know that they're supposed to show respect to the foreigner.
The year goes like this:
-Kids are angels. Foreign teacher is new and the novelty has just set in.
-Four months later, English teacher will start to notice some disrespect and some talking. If not corrected, it will get progressively worse.
-Six months later, English teacher will observe that the novelty has worn off. Teacher will also realize that Korean students have never been told that it is rude not to talk in class, and they will talk to their heart's content. Telling them to be quiet is completely ineffective and pointless, as are most other forms of verbal discipline. My solution is assigned seating, isolating offenders and eventually kicking the worst offenders out to the hallway and doing it again when I let them back in and fall into the same routine.
Anyway, is this exactly the same in Japan? Better? Worse?
Just curious. Its one of those things about living here that surprised me. I always thought non-Canadian, High School students would be better behaved than Canadian kids. I was wrong. My memories of High School involved everyone at least trying to act mature in class with a couple bad apples here and there. There was no screeching or running around. That was what elementary was for. I guess kids here have a much delayed growth and maturation because of all the forced study and lack of social graces/conditionning. |
Having taught adults in both countries, my feeling is that the Japanese were much more polite. When I did have one give me problems, it came as a shock because it was so rare at least in my classes.
Sadebugo
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parrothead

Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 342 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:31 am Post subject: |
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I don't know if I would call ALT "school teachers". They are assistants to Japanese English teachers, both of whom often don't really know what the role of the ALT should be. Many Japanese English teachers don't know why an ALT is there or they don't want one there. Many don't want to be teaching English at all, but they don't have a choice. The ALT is often unsure of his or her responsibilities and is usually left to devise games or activities that are too often too complicated for the students to understand. It's no wonder so many junior high and high school students say they dislike English.
To the OP, if you're teaching a class once a week or once every two weeks, perhaps you are setting your expectations too high. From my experience, if a student is "acting cool" or trying to get laughs, it's because he doesn't understand enough and that the teacher is teaching over his head. It's a kind of defense mechanism. At the end of the day I think a child wants to "get it" and wants to feel like he is succeeding. |
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The_Hanged_Man

Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 224 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| budgie wrote: |
Adults are polite but in the eikaiwa business they'll stab you in the back. A list of some of the complaints passed on from management in the big schools:
*Sitting cross-legged, figure-four or *gasp* the catapult.
*Placing class materials on the carpet: dirty, apparently
*yawning, okay cultural no-no; but failing to sufficiently stifle said yawn - sufficiently being subjective, of course
*Looking tired (apparently 12 hour days with 8-10 lessons six days a week is a breeze)
*looking "demotivated": working said hours for chump change, no benefits, unpaid leave, unpaid salaries is apparently very motivating
So no they don't respect us. Nor does the industry. We are performing seals, product deliverers, human tape recorders. Not a lot more.
This has nothing to do with adult education. It's pure marketing and customer service. |
While I worked at Aeon my favorite one was, "Teacher looks at his watch during class." implying that I was looking at my watch because I was bored.
At the same time my managers would be incredibly uptight about the time the lesson began, ended, and the timing of the individual activities. I suppose they just assumed I could instinctively know the exact time.  |
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ShioriEigoKyoushi
Joined: 21 Aug 2009 Posts: 364 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:10 am Post subject: |
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ghostrider
Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 147
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:43 am Post subject: |
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I agree that, at least some, eikaiwas try to break their English teachers down. They don't want their staff leaving ultra-confident and well trained. They want broken people who can't leave because they're only trained to teach out of a text book. They use these ridiculous complaints against you, knowing they mean nothing and you can't do anything about it usually.
ALT is only better in that you get more holidays, work during the day, get weekends off, and aren't micro-managed everyday as you are in an eikaiwa. You're more likely to get promoted in eikaiwa though. You may work at the same pay in ALT indefinitely. I'd personally shoot for higher goals while here if you planned to be here more than 3 years.
What isn't discussed here much is Oral Communication jobs in private schools. This is what I do now. You can make more in these positions, get more benefits, pay raises, etc. They're somewhere between ALT and being a professor or working in an international school. They're also highly competitive obviously, and don't hire teachers from abroad nor those without teaching experience.
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ghostrider
Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 147
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, to address the original poster's question, students are not angels here either unless you get lucky teaching Oral Communication at an elite private school. Such positions exist. I've substituted at such schools myself and some of my coworkers have been lucky enough to get a job at these schools.
The vast majority of positions are ALT, meaning you'll have little responsibility or control over the classes. You're an "Assistant" to a Japanese English grammar teacher. If you're lucky, you'll be assigned only a few schools, to a few Japanese teachers, and these teachers will be effective in controlling discipline. Most likely you'll have many different JTE's, usually in average or below average schools, most of them not being that effective in controlling discipline. Not only will you have rowdy and talkative students, but also you'll have no control over the discipline at all. In some ways, you can make the most of this and brush it off since you're not responsible for these problems, but it's not a very motivating position to be in for the long run. Both the JET Program/Japanese Education Ministry and dispatch companies realize this, and I think have gone the easy route in encouraging turnover rather than develop an effective system for foreign employees and the students.
Quite sad. Perhaps with a new government in place, they'll get around to improving how English is taught in schools here, or they won't worry about it as it isn't a top issue for voters.
Anyway, to even get a remotely normal teaching position in a school here, you need to aim for the private school English jobs (not ALT). They tend to only hire from within Japan and only those who have experience. You have both direct hire positions (most difficult) and private school dispatch companies (still difficult to get a position with them). Qualifications actually help in regards to these positions. The level of the private schools varies quite a lot though, as they're actually affordable for many parents here. Some private schools are actually worse than the local public ones as they're designed for kids who couldn't make it in the public schools or were kicked out for extremely bad behavior, which is not an easy task to accomplish here. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| mizzoumike76 wrote: |
| I'm told the politeness is to the point that students don't want to complain; only until they've been unhappy for 5 months first, then they say something, then the teacher is admonished for not doing anything about it (for the 5 months of which they had no clue anything was wrong. Capital.) |
Sad to say, Nova seemed a bit better in this department. We received feedback from students fairly regularly (a mixed blessing). Trainers and J-staff informed instructors of the "offense". Plus, instructors were observed and given feedback by trainers on a regular basis (another mixed blessing).
The two small eikaiwas I have worked for had no such program. Little to no training, observation-almost hands off. Then 5-6 months in the future a students complains, and the owner goes bonkers. Apocalyptic, threatening to fire the teacher, etc. Instructors are suddenly informed of how they didn't meet the schools' standards (which no one tells you) and they dump the teacher.
Ironic thing is students then turn around to complain about the teachers are always changing, etc. |
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ShioriEigoKyoushi
Joined: 21 Aug 2009 Posts: 364 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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There are plenty of good reasons why teaching is the way it is (lack of support etc), but I think students are entitled to ask for what they are promised (which I suspect they rarely get).
Shiori |
Don't disagree with you on that. I was just griping about how some schools will just get rid of a teacher when they get one or two complaints from students. Student feedback can be a useful tool in teacher development.
If the teacher is informed of the issue, they can change their lessons, feedback, whatever. Many students can see and appreciate the improvements. If school owners panic and can somebody, then nobody wins. And a rather vicious circle is created. |
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