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Long term TEFLers where will you retire?
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Blingcosa



Joined: 17 May 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just starting out in this game and barely 30 years of age. My plan is to visit as many developing countries as possible, and go with the one I like the best. Preferably one with warm weather and a nice slow pace of life. South east asia, Africa or the Pacific Islands appeal.
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Sadebugo



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the beginning of my EFL career (15 years ago), I thought I would love to retire in a foreign country and continue the high of living overseas. However, what I realized over the years was that I missed the conveniences of my home country and needed that as well. So, what I think I will do is keep my house here in Texas but simply travel as I feel the need which is pretty much what I do now. With our skills as EFL instructors, that traveling is made easier by being able to get a temporary job in almost any country in the world. I tell you, it's a great life!

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Nabby Adams



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mrguay84 wrote:
Nabby, are you back in the UK yet?


No, I am not. I am leaving Japan in March, but I am looking for another country. The idea of being middle aged in the UK, with only TEFL skills to my name doesn't excite me.
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jdl



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sadebugo,

It is a great life as you say....never really retire..... just rest for a bit from time to time. Home base for me would involve a trimester plan where for 4 months at a time I would be somewhere is Asia/ME, the Caribbean and Continental North America. Kinda general eh??? But if home is where you die then I guess it will be in a bush cabin on Reindeer Lake?....In a rum shop on Grenada.....in 20 metres of water off the coast of Oman.... In the Texas hill country????It is all too good and such choices.

You have it right...travel at will.


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Sadebugo



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jdl wrote:
Sadebugo,

It is a great life as you say....never really retire..... just rest for a bit from time to time. Home base for me would involve a trimester plan where for 4 months at a time I would be somewhere is Asia/ME, the Caribbean and Continental North America. Kinda general eh??? But if home is where you die then I guess it will be in a bush cabin on Reindeer Lake?....In a rum shop in Granada.....in 20 metres of water off the coast of Oman.... In the Texas hill country????It is all too good and such choices.

You have it right...travel at will.


Hey, JDL!

Thanks for responding. Yeah, it's great. With my current job, I can pretty much travel at will and/or stay here in Texas. My only concern is age bias overseas when I retire. Still, with all my contacts in the countries I want to spend time in, I should be able to do privates at the very least.

Take care,

Sadebugo
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Romania. I'm going to get revenge and open a hostel Smile
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kazachka



Joined: 19 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I came to Russia to save to buy a house back in South Central Alaska. I had an opportunity to buy a flat here in 2002 before the market went through the roof,and waited a yr so that I could finish my MA. Well, by then it was too late and things went through the roof here. So, I figured I'd work here during my 30s and go back and pay cash for a house (or take out a small mortgage). Things were going fine til the Crisis hit last winter. I have six more yrs to work to FULL retirement in Alaska as I'm already vested in the system. I have 10 on paper left to work officially, BUT have close to a year's sick lv. saved up + I will accept a 3 yr buyout. So, in reality, it's six years. I sent my paperwork to Alaska in the spring w/ letter of intent to return to employment. If 100%FTE is on the books for next year, I go. I've got enough to make a nice down payment at this point and really don't want to risk inflation and increasing instability sucking it down. I'd planned to stay a few more years, but have decided stability rules at this point I'm not getting any younger either as I just turned 35. I'd like to retire while I still have some life left in me not clear the hell into my 50s or 60s when quality of life is heading into the toilet and you can't enjoy it. I'll buy smthg in the Anchorage area. The first 165000$ of house is porperty tax free to retirees in this area and I'm not meant to live in a warm climate. I love the mountains and Anchorage is nice. I am going to have serious issues readjusting to life in the US and am dreading this.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YOu-re only 35 and you can retire when you-re 41? Wow, how-d you do that?

What issues are you going to have when moving back?
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guty



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many other 'professions' have forums where people who are experienced, dedicated, trained and qualified have to discuss which 3rd world country they can afford to retire to? Or talk bravely about never stopping work?

The tefl life can bring a kind of self-imposed exile. Dont misunderstand me, I was a tefl teacher for 15 years, loved it and did OK financially, but I only started making a real contribution to my retirement after I left it.

Aside from those based long term in Japan or the Gulf, many long term efl teachers could find retirement a very hard time of their lives.

To ask my question again, are there other professions which reward their members in the same way?
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GambateBingBangBOOM



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guty wrote:


Aside from those based long term in Japan or the Gulf, many long term efl teachers could find retirement a very hard time of their lives.


JAPAN!? You save more money in Korea than here.

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To ask my question again, are there other professions which reward their members in the same way?


What do you mean?
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Nabby Adams



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you talking about? A driving instuctor requirs more training than TEFL teaching. You talk as if TEFL were "a profession" whereas it's semi skilled labour.

I'd still rather spend my working life living around the world and relatively stress free, and lets be honest not exactly busting a gut than to spend my life working in one boring city to build up a retirement fund. How many other "professions" allow a 22 year old to rock up in a new country and find paid work within a week? It's costs and benefits my friend costs and benefits.
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norwalkesl



Joined: 22 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent the last year retired living off my savings.

Complete dullardry. I need to work, a healthy non-USA balance. In the States people work 50 or 51 weeks a year, forever. They hold onto the dream of retirement. I happily discovered that it would be hell for me, learned this early at age 47. Total boredom, playing bridge, socialising with 60 to 80 year old people who think act and live old.

For me, 3 or 4 months off a year and a job is best. More time than that and I drift and become unhappy. Travel, see the world, take trains everywhere, make friends all over the planet.

So many TEFL'ers are cut from that cloth that we lose sight of the fact that 98% of people stay put, retire, live lives of quiet desperation. I think many of us forget the benefits, get cynical and jaded. This life is The Dream, although many consider it Purgatory.

As someone who did the high-powered 9-5 (actually its 6:30a to 7:30p) corporate gig, I vastly prefer TEFL.

Money is very overrated when it comes at the expense of ones health and happiness.

In the US one can retire at 62 or 65. Just teach until then and collect your SSI. That $1,000 to $2,000 will go very far in the usual locations. Then you can teach a few hours a week for fun.
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Harvey



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nabby Adams wrote:
What are you talking about? A driving instuctor requirs more training than TEFL teaching. You talk as if TEFL were "a profession" whereas it's semi skilled labour.

I'd still rather spend my working life living around the world and relatively stress free, and lets be honest not exactly busting a gut than to spend my life working in one boring city to build up a retirement fund. How many other "professions" allow a 22 year old to rock up in a new country and find paid work within a week? It's costs and benefits my friend costs and benefits.


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kazachka



Joined: 19 Nov 2004
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Location: Moscow and Alaska

PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
YOu-re only 35 and you can retire when you-re 41? Wow, how-d you do that?

What issues are you going to have when moving back?


Got hired in the Alaska system at 21,worked 9+ yrs. It's 20 to retirement and somewhere along the way you get offered a 3 yr buyout plus you can apply accumulated sick lv. to retirement. Had I not left, I could have walked at 38 and gone on to work elsewhere like many of my coworkers did indeed do. At 30, I took a 2 yr sabbatical that expired in April of 07:( I knew I'd likely be out more than that because Alaska isn't cheap and trying to save for a house while I was finishing my MA was impossible even on the good teacher salaries there. So, having lived in Russia off and on since 1990, and being that I was a Russian/bilingual teacher in the US, what I do here in Russia will count as professional development when I go back. I DO NOT want to work til I die. I'd like to enjoy SOME of my retirement if I live to see it. My grandparents and great grandparents lived into their 90s and beyond 100 but my mom passed at 60(breast cancer) and never got to enjoy any kind of retirement and now my dad at 61 just had his prostrate removed. So, this myth of the golden yrs is a myth. Who is going to feel like travelling the world at 65,70, and beyond and still ENJOY it? I made the decision to take that sabbatical when my mom was still ill. I thought , well, you only live once and if I wait and wait to take that break and teach overseas, I knew I'd never do it.

Issues....returning to that quack Sarah Palin's hometown is an issue all on it's own. Yes, I'm from Wasilla but unlike 97% of the population, I have a higher education and I'm far from the conservative freakshow that she represents. Yes, only 3% of Wasilla residents have a college degree 1% have a graduate degree and I suspect they were all my coworkers. Plus, anyone of our long time overseas teachers I'm sure can confirm that after a while you begin to fit in less and less when in your home country. I definitely see things very differently from most Americans.
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kazachka



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

norwalkesl wrote:


Money is very overrated when it comes at the expense of ones health and happiness.



I couldn't agree more. However, I was a HS teacher in the US and worked 7-2:30 (often stayed til after 3 helping kids),had summers off PAID, a month in the winter,fall and spring breaks.I travelled a lot on my off time so really only spent 8-9 months a yr in Alaska during the school yr. I had a 2-5 min commute home and was out the door to train(I'm also a professional runner) rarely later than 4pm. I rarely got tired and the best part of it was after I put in my 20 or so km for the day or did a killer speed workout, I DIDN'T HAVE TO DRAG MY SORRY TAIL BACK TO WORK IN THE EVENING. I work about 16 academic hours at my official job( I do not want more as it's more profitable taking private clients and my health means more to me than chasing all over the city during the day). On two days a week, I have the dreaded morning/eve split shift for my job. On Fridays, I have this, but by choice as I have three private clients who offered me too much to say no. However, the afternoon/eve hours are nicely blocked and I stay in one place. Here in Moscow, I need 8-10 hours of shuteye daily. I am saved by the Almighty Afternoon Nap on those split shift days. I work out after my morning class, have lunch, then the big ZZZZ. OTOH, when I visit the US, I need only 7-8 hours of shuteye even after a killer race or workout and I'm completely fine. It's little things like this that finally prompted me to send that paperwork back to my former employer. Once your health takes a dump, life really isn't worth it,so I'd advise anyone to guard his/her health like they would their life!
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