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nyc2323
Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 38
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:52 am Post subject: SIT in nyc at Rennert, or CELTA at Teaching House New York? |
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I was just wondering if anyone else can give me feedback on either of these two certificate programs? I'm in the application process for the January courses and just would love to hear about how you liked the course, the instructors, the practicum aspect and then especially how you felt it enabled you to find a job.
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norwalkesl
Joined: 22 Oct 2009 Posts: 366 Location: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-China
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:18 am Post subject: |
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CELTA helped me find a job, and it is widely known in the industry.
The SIT is just as good at teaching one how to instruct. It uses an experiential methodology and like the CELTA focuses on adult learners. Trinity has some input wrt young learners.
In terms of name brand recognition the CELTA is tops, then Trinity then SIT. Some employers explicitly require the CELTA. I believe there are South American markets that prefer the SIT. |
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nyc2323
Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Posts: 38
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:00 am Post subject: |
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thanks for your response...and more specifically I am looking for feedback on the two course locations/sponsoring schools in the subject line of my post. I have heard that the CELTA and SIT courses vary by location.
Also, i'm a bit worried that these programs DONT offer job placement guarantee, while lesser known/less prestigious certifs like TEFL Institute DO offer a guarantee plus a lot more assistance. |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'd add that most job placement "guarantees" are less valid, if you read the fine print, than they look in the headlines.
The question I'd ask centers you're considering is if they will put you in touch with course graduates. This way, you can see what course grads are doing.
Best,
Justin
PS- I know a few grads of the SIT course at Rennert- I'm sure the center can put you in touch with more. |
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norwalkesl
Joined: 22 Oct 2009 Posts: 366 Location: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-China
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Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Justin Trullinger wrote: |
I'd add that most job placement "guarantees" are less valid, if you read the fine print, than they look in the headlines. |
Yeah, but some schools will hire on teachers then only teach them the CELTA/DELTA as part of their hire process and contract.
ILA Vietnam comes to mind. |
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 2:15 am Post subject: Which school teaches the DELTA to its staff? |
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norwalkesl wrote: |
(...) some schools will hire on teachers then only teach them the CELTA/DELTA as part of their hire process and contract. |
I'd certainly be interested in knowing which schools teach the DELTA as part of their hire process and contract, no matter where in the world they may be!
The only alternative would be for me to study for the DELTA in my own time and pay the fees, including the fee for the pre-start orientation course, myself.
If some school were prepared to pay me (or at least not charge me) for doing the DELTA, I might be interested in working for them some day!  |
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norwalkesl
Joined: 22 Oct 2009 Posts: 366 Location: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-China
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:25 am Post subject: |
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ILA Vietnam will only teach the DELTA to teachers that it hires. The teachers can pay for the course or work it off over 3 years. |
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:28 am Post subject: Presumably they work for 3 yrs w/o paying for the DELTA? |
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norwalkesl wrote: |
ILA Vietnam will only teach the DELTA to teachers that it hires. The teachers can pay for the course or work it off over 3 years. |
By "work it off", I assume you mean that the teachers should simply work for three years after completing the DELTA without the cost of the course being defrayed from their pay during this time period? |
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MrMrLuckyKhan
Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 282 Location: Kingdom of Cambodia
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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:32 am Post subject: |
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nyc2323 wrote: |
Also, i'm a bit worried that these programs DONT offer job placement guarantee, while lesser known/less prestigious certifs like TEFL Institute DO offer a guarantee plus a lot more assistance. |
Don't worry about them not having a 'job guarantee,' most universities don't offer them either. Also, the jobs that they guarantee are probably not worth that much, that's why they can guarantee them. With a CELTA or a SIT you shouldn't need one.
Look at the job that they guarantee. Is it a job so good its worth taking a an unknown TEFL??
You want a job guarantee? If you take any TEFL/TESOL/CELTA course I personally guarantee you a job* here in SEasia!!
*being my personal assistant for $1 a day.
(job guarantees are USUALLY worthless) |
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norwalkesl
Joined: 22 Oct 2009 Posts: 366 Location: Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-China
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Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Presumably they work for 3 yrs w/o paying for the DELTA? |
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Chris_Crossley wrote: |
norwalkesl wrote: |
ILA Vietnam will only teach the DELTA to teachers that it hires. The teachers can pay for the course or work it off over 3 years. |
By "work it off", I assume you mean that the teachers should simply work for three years after completing the DELTA without the cost of the course being defrayed from their pay during this time period? |
I would assume that the the DELTA is to be paid for. Either the teachers work and have lowered pay or the teachers have the cost deducted.
"Course Reimbursements Available
Teach at ILA and have your DELTA fees reimbursed at the rate of 1/3 per year over 3 years (conditions apply). Fee reimbursement only applies once all components of the course have been successfully completed. "
Besides this scheme there is the traditional one of paying for the course in advance with discounts for early payment.
http://www.discovereltvietnam.com/page.php?p=402 |
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scintillatestar
Joined: 19 Oct 2009 Posts: 74 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 2:56 am Post subject: Teaching House |
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I cannot speak for the SIT course, but I obtained my CELTA from Teaching House in October. I highly recommend doing the CELTA and had a wonderful experience at TH. My instructors were excellent and the course was well-organized. The administrative staff is also very helpful. They continue to stay in touch with graduates and let us know when schools and companies come to recruit. The course is also run in a convenient location in TriBeCa within St. John's University. The Director of Studies is a really nice, funny guy with a lot of experience. All of them have an M.A. and/or DELTA, with considerable teaching experience. My tutors were English, but some courses are led by American instructors. The course is a little over $2,500, and the staff can help you find reasonably priced accommodation. Intensive courses (M-F from 9 AM to 5 PM) pretty much run monthly, but there are some semi-intensive courses as well. Program alumni have access to private website with course materials, forums, a school directory, news updates, and jobs listings. They have a database of language schools around the globe, as well as a list in NYC.
Based on my initial experience, the CELTA is really the best qualification to earn. Many schools ask for a "CELTA or equivalent," so I think it's easiest just to get the former. Also, certain schools require the CELTA to teach IELTS. |
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ssjup81
Joined: 15 Jun 2009 Posts: 664 Location: Adachi-ku, Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:34 am Post subject: |
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I was doing mine through Teaching House in NYC. It ended December 18. I started November 1. It was the semi-intensive course, where we only attended Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 9:00 - 5:00. Depending on the instructor, though, one might get out even sooner. With the second lady I had, we were usually done by about 4:00.
I liked it, but it was stressful and strict. They did give good advice...like how I had to stop approaching my students as if they were children. Unfortunately, I had to drop out since I ended up in the hospital for eight days and was forced to come home to recuperate. All this happened the last week in November. I came home December 1.
I'm going to try to get back in, as it was excused, and Kimberly did say that they'll try working with me to see if they can get me back in at some point. They had to send all of my information to the head office and directors (back at Cambridge, iirc).
Anyway, the problem is whether or not they'll let me back in without having to pay again because the money just isn't there for me. I also won't have a place to stay this time. The cousin I was staying with was horribly bad for my health, and the places TH offered were just too expensive. I had to borrow the first time around to take the course, and now I need help with the $32k hospital bill. I really just need some type of a job. I was going for the cert in hopes of its helping me find one, now I'm right back where I started. I've really given up finding work here in my city. |
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scintillatestar
Joined: 19 Oct 2009 Posts: 74 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Really sorry to hear that... I remember we were all terrified of H1N1 at the time, but that never really materialized. Hopefully they'll let you back in. The staff is generally really supportive. Out of curiosity, who were your tutors? I had Ryan for most of my TP sessions, and Sophie and David for lectures. I think Sophie and David were freelancers, but they were fantastic. |
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ssjup81
Joined: 15 Jun 2009 Posts: 664 Location: Adachi-ku, Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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scintillatestar wrote: |
Really sorry to hear that... I remember we were all terrified of H1N1 at the time, but that never really materialized. |
Oh, I didn't have H1N1. I had developed a Pulmonary Embolism or something. It resorted in my having multiple clots in my lungs. My second week in NY, I started having breathing problems and couldn't catch my breath. I thought it was because I was staying with my cousin and her son, who were both heavy smokers and my just not being used to it since I'd never had to share a place with smokers in general before. November 23, couldn't catch my breath and instead of walking to the Myrtle Ave Station in Brooklyn, I hopped on a bus to get there. Even on the bus, I couldn't catch my breath and even after getting into Manhattan, doing a slow walk, I was still having more of a difficulty breathing. I was a block away from TH, but I couldn't make it and felt like passing out. I just waved a cab and asked the driver to take me to the nearest hospital. Only one I knew of was Mt. Sinai (sp?), though, since I was born there, but they took me to one called the NY Downtown Hospital not too far away from Fulton St. They gave me a nebulizer and did the x-rays and stuff, and said I had multiple blood clots in my lungs, and that if I'd waited even a few more days, there's a chance that I could've died. Scary thought still to this day.
They told me to go back home to VA to recuperate where I'll have more family around as staying with my cousin wasn't good for my health or lungs and my other NYC relatives just didn't have the room for me to stay there...and they weren't as reliable as I'd hoped they would've been. My only visitors from family were those from Virginia. Also, turns out my cousin had mold in the part that I was staying in too. My lungs were screwed from the start. lol
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Hopefully they'll let you back in. The staff is generally really supportive. |
Yeah. When I was in the hospital, I was talking to Kimberly while there and she was even ready to find me an alternative place for me to stay for the rest of the course, but after missing so much time, I felt it was better to just drop it. There was no way I was going to be able to make up two teaching sessions.
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Out of curiosity, who were your tutors? I had Ryan for most of my TP sessions, and Sophie and David for lectures. I think Sophie and David were freelancers, but they were fantastic. |
Sophie was there, but she left not too soon after. I never had her, though, 'cept for where the tutors do the teaching. I had Abby and the other one came in a bit later to replace Sophie, I think. Her name was Lizzy.
It's funny. IMO, the native British teachers came across as very intimidating. I think that's why I messed up so much during TP at times. I also wonder if I would've felt more comfortable with a male teacher. I didn't have any for my lectures or TP sessions, but I do recall both David and Ryan being around. At least I think that's what their names were. One guy was bald.
At least one good thing is that if I am able to retake it there, I'll have a heads up and might have an easier time with the TP sessions. |
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LoPresto
Joined: 27 Oct 2009 Posts: 87
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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hate to type it, but, you might have been reacting to the big city and big boys.
I once had a slight anxiety attack in LA. I drank a beer and every thing was alright. Unfortunately though, I didn't make a million there and am now "teaching" in China.
Oh well. It's still been an interesting trip.
SI, NY. Perhaps LA, a different day?
The lung and Brit problems, I don't understand. I've stayed in a few molding/dirty places and met a few of the later in my time abroad and neither bothered me. I won't go into the flea bags I slept in or met in NY, LA, SF, HK, SZ, GZ etc....
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