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[silkbomber]

Hello all,
I hope this is an appropriate thing (and place) to post.

I am looking for a job in a specific city, and I have applied for several jobs online, but most have replied I need a degree for them to be able to get me the appropiate visa. I skipped going to uni, because I was offered a very well paying job as a purchasing officer to China. I am know wishing to, while i'm young enough and don't have kids, to live in China again.
What advice can you guys give me in getting a job with these credentials?

I have seen many online recruiters who claim to garuantee jobs, are these safe to use?

Thanks for any advice you could offer,
Regards
Silk.

[ttorriel]

Please obtain the proper education and experience as required by law

[hankemhigh]

What law?

[Jayray]

Keep trying. Subscribe to as many ESL forums as possible. Every week I see a few job listings which require little-to-no post secondary education.

I worked with two yo-yo's recently who had no post secondary school education whatsoever.

You really SHOULD get a degree of some sort, one that includes training in the English language. You owe it to yourself and to the students. College is a serious matter. Would you want to be taught Chinese by a Chinese fisherman or a Chinese WalMart employee?

[silkbomber]

Is it purely a visa issue that this is a requirement?

If i was to obtain a D visa for example, therefore meaning the schools didn't have to organise the visa would that give me more chance.

And to Jay Ray, I find that self righteous attitude of yours interesting.
Are you telling me that I really should have spent 3 years spending more of my time going to parties getting drunk and occasionally studying while doing a very easy art degree? Would that really have more benefit then travelling learning and doing business in several different countries?

And I would be happy to be taught by a chinese fisherman. I rate people on the quality of life skills and experience a person has, not how long he spent in school.

Forgive my rant, I guess it's just me feeling bitter, because this is probably the easiest job I have applied for, and yet it's proving to be the hardest to get.

[mike w]

[silkbomber]

Is it possible to work off an X visa? I want to study Mandarin anyway, prehaps I would be better off doing this at a university and teaching part time.

Would a Diploma in Tesol rather then just a cerficate in Tesol but sufficient to gain a better chance of employment?

Apart from breaking even, money isn't an issue. I have saved up plenty over the last 7 years to allow my self basically a year of no income.

Once company has mentioned they could give me a job, but said to come over on a L visa then change to a Z visa once there. They stated many have done this in the past, but I worry about the legitimacy of this claim. As far I know, you can only get a Z visa from you own country.

If I was required to return to Australia, and then go back again, it would prove cheaper to apply for study at a university and get an X visa.

[mike w]

[Jayray]

[Hail]

You and I are in the same boat Silk. I know full well im capable of the job, and im prepared to get swindled with low accom/pay/hours etc. Hopefully my wanderlust, hutzpah, and adaptability should mask that nicely... The person who put this plan into my head wasn't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer. He had no degree, and was apparently living in a nice apartment making 4500 RMB his first year and 6000 the next. Anyone else have a story like this?

Silk we differ in situations because.. I've recently turned 20. Is there even a language school that would organize a Z visa for me? Which countries have age restrictions? Do they all of restrictions!? Is there anyone who has been in my situation, or is that a shot in the dark?

In terms of teaching experience I have taught karate for 6 years, and skiing for 2. That'll have to suffice. Im prepared for the worst and hoping for the best. Thank you in advance for being kind and informative! Please..

[Mr. Kalgukshi]

Several postings regarding use of fake degrees have been deleted. We have never permitted discussions of fake degrees on this board and we are not starting now.

Future references (of any kind) to fake degrees on this thread will result in a permanent ban to include the iSP.

[silkbomber]

Okay, through researching, I have learnt of a L1 spousal visa. To my understading, I need to get this in my wife's hometown, and it will allow me to spend up to 2 years in china. This will give me a chance to look for a job in a company that can organise me a proper Z visa; may have to go to hong kong though to complete it. Meanwhile, I can put more time into completing and Online bacherlors degree which means i wont have to fo through this in the future... unless china decides it wants PHDs

I have heard of a few cases where people got Z visas while still in china, but most seem to indcate they had to go to at least hong kong.

In regards to working on a L visa, does private tutoring count as work? I guess if it's all cash in hand each lesson they have no way to know?

[The Ever-changing Cleric]

[Dinah606]

Whether or not you need a degree depends on what city in China you want to work in. In some cities its a hard and fast requirement for getting legal work papers, and in some cities it isn't.

I know, for example, that it isn't a requirement in Wuhan. I work at a very primary school here, and and only about half of my co-workers have degrees. Furthermore, last year one of my co-workers was only 19 years old. Those of us with degrees are paid more than those who don't have them, but it's only by 500 yuan a month. The base salary is neither the highest nor the lowest you'll find in China, but I've found that our school treats us very well, and the amount of paid vacation time we get is really nice (About two and a half months paid a year, and one month unpaid.).

In terms of the quality the degreeless teachers, it varies. Out of last years group of teachers, the two teachers who I respected most, and who I thought did the best job, didn't have a degree. They came into school everyday, put work into their lesson plans, engaged their classes in creative activities, and were consistantly on time with their marking and such. Some of the teachers with degrees acted as if their year in China was just one big frat party. There was also a forty year old woman with a masters was also a raging alcoholic, and would stumble into school drunk, and missed a ridiculous amount of class. I would much rather be taught a language by somebody with no degree, than be taught a language by her.

[norwalkesl]