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getting a work visa while in Japan w/ tourist visa

 
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artimidorus



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:22 am    Post subject: getting a work visa while in Japan w/ tourist visa Reply with quote

I would like to apologize if this is already in the faq section, but i would like to post this here for 2 reasons
1. i cant find the faq section anymore, and,
2. i heard that the rule about this has changed.

So, I am thinking about going to japan on a tourist visa and try to find a job while i am there (i know, i know, i will have plenty of money). but i had a few questions

-will i have to fly out of the country and back in to get a work visa (and if so, how much would it be to fly to china or korea and back)
-if i am in japan on a tourist visa, is it still a potentially long (2 month) process?
- many jobs say that you must currently reside in Japan. would they consider me, do you think, if i was in japan, but needed them to sponsor my work visa?
- I will be mainly looking for a job in a private eikaiwa. is feb the peak hiring time, even for someone like me who needs a work visa? when would be the best time to show up?

any advice is much appreciated!
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The FAQs have been gone for a month or so. Nobody seems to know where they are. So, your question is valid.

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-will i have to fly out of the country and back in to get a work visa


No, as of a few short years ago, the system changed so that you don't have to leave the country to finalize visa processing.

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-if i am in japan on a tourist visa, is it still a potentially long (2 month) process?
Yes, perhaps even longer since the November 2008 collapse of NOVA. Prepare accordingly. Depends on when you want to come, what your background is, how you search, where you want to work, etc.

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- many jobs say that you must currently reside in Japan. would they consider me, do you think, if i was in japan, but needed them to sponsor my work visa?
Read those ads carefully. Some say that merely being here is what they want. Others want people to be here and have a valid visa already. If you're talking about the former, then getting hired depends on your background and their needs, but being here shows commitment to the job hunting process.

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- I will be mainly looking for a job in a private eikaiwa. is feb the peak hiring time, even for someone like me who needs a work visa? when would be the best time to show up?
Feb and March are peak hiring months because of the fiscal and academic years (even for eikaiwa) beginning in April. Some of the bigger eikaiwa post their own recruitment abroad schedules, and some people have reported that one has a year's waiting list even though they seem to be recruiting now.
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Appletreesrtall



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski, do you know about the reverse of this? If you have a working visa, and you don't renew, if/how it will go back to a tourist visa? Do you have to leave the country? Need to visit any particular offices?
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to apply for a change of status to go from a work visa to a tourist permit. This does not happen automatically- if you are still in Japan when your work visa expires, you are then an overstayer, which is a not a good thing at all. Overstayers face detention, fines and banning from Japan.

For any visa changes, you visit the Immigration office, as you might expect.
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artimidorus



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey thanks for the info. you said that that hiring times are feb and march for an april start date, but if I get there in Feb or March, and it could take 2 months to get a work visa, that would mean I couldn't work until May or even June. So would it even be a worthwhile endevor to get to Japan in March to try to get hired?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you let your work visa expire, you could be in serious trouble. You might get off with a day or two in detention, or you could be asked to sign a Japanese apology letter saying you'll never do it again, or worse.

If you voluntarily go in and apologize, you might get off with deportation and just a year of blacklisting from returning here. If you don't go in, and are caught at the airport, you could face far more serious issues, like up to 3 million yen fine, longer detention (up to 20+ days without a lawyer, and being subjected to repeated daily third-degree grilling), and a 5-year blacklisting. Ignorance is no excuse here either!

Friend of mine on a spouse visa forgot. He went in to renew a month late and was held in detention for hours. They finally called his J wife to come down after their kid got out of daycare, and she had to vouch for him. Not something you want to do! He then had to sign that apology letter.
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Appletreesrtall



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dang! I had no idea it was that bad!

An employee here accidentally let their work visa expire (didn't renew it on the right month). Once they realized this they wrote an apology letter, went down to the office with the boss, and get everything cleared up in like.... an hour? No yelling/grilling/angry feelings or anything!

Maybe my co-worker was just lucky, who knows? But I do know it was a month and a half late for renewing.
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Appletreesrtall



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I guess to continue this then with more questions.... ^_^()

After I am done with work, I wanted to travel for about 2 weeks. So I would be going from a one-year "Specialist in Humanities/ International Services" to a temporary visitor? I'm a little confused if I am either
A.- Changing my visa
or
B- extending my duration of stay

or is this just the same thing? Looks like you need to give them 2 months notice too...
"You can apply at your local immigration office, from 2 months prior to the expiry date. If your application is approved you will receive an extension permit as a stamp or sticker in your passport"

As for the documentation:
� Application form

� Documentation determined by Ministry of Justice for each activity
(For further information please contact your Regional Immigration Office or branch office)

� Passport, Alien Registration Card

� Documents of proof of identity (when a proxy or agent is applying on your behalf)

Hope that helps out anyone else, if they wanna put this in the FAQs or something ^_^
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say your coworker was fortunate. There are other immigration offices and officers that might have lowered the boom. Having the boss come in helped immensely, too.

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After I am done with work, I wanted to travel for about 2 weeks.
If there is still time on your visa, do it. You don't have to be working all the time. Or just go to immigration when it is about to expire, and file for a change of status, either to tourist or to Temporary Visitor (15 or 90 days).
http://www.moj.go.jp/ONLINE/IMMIGRATION/16-2-24.pdf

If you want to extend your visa, you'll need a job, whether with the current employer or another.

The 2 months' notice is the earliest time you can file for this, not the required time.
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Appletreesrtall



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh, that clarification helped, thanks!

I will be leaving work right when my work visa ends, so to travel I -have- to fill out a change of status.

Everyone is coming together slowly, huzzah! Very Happy Thanks!
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wayne432



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, quick question here if anyone knows... I checked around but couldn't find any information on it.

If changing from a tourist to a work visa in Japan, is a COE required? Or can that part be skipped?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that technically a COE is never actually required, but it almost always highly recommended.

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What is a Certificate of Eligibility?

A Certificate of Eligibility is issued before a visa application by a regional immigration authority under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Justice as evidence that the foreign national meets the conditions for landing in Japan, including the requirements that the activity in which the foreign national wishes to engage in Japan at the time of the landing examination is not fraudulent and is an activity that comes under a status of residence (excluding Temporary Visitor Status) stipulated in the Immigration Control Act. (Application by a proxy in Japan is allowed. For details go to the Ministry of Justice, Immigration Bureau. other site)

A foreign national in possession of a Certificate of Eligibility can get a visa issued more easily at an embassy or consulate within the standard processing period (five working days). (However, issuance of the visa is not guaranteed.) Furthermore, there is the advantage that if the certificate is shown to the immigration officer at the time of the landing application the foreign national can more easily demonstrate that their status of residence conforms to the conditions for landing in Japan such as control, etc.

Even in the case that the purpose is a long-term stay, the visa application can be made directly to the embassy or consulate without this certificate but please be aware of the fact that in this case it will be necessary to submit a large number of verifying documents in addition to those above; and the processing will take a long time (several months) because the application documents will have to be sent to the nearest immigration authority in Japan for examination.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/long/visa1.html


More info:
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/faq.html#q1-3

Either way, you will have to wait 2-8 weeks, so just apply normally. Did you have some reason for asking this?
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wayne432



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend was worried about the tourist visa running out before everything was processed. I was thinking that as long as the processing stamp was put inside my friend's passport, things would be okay... which is why I was wondering of skipping the COE step.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wayne432 wrote:
My friend was worried about the tourist visa running out before everything was processed. I was thinking that as long as the processing stamp was put inside my friend's passport, things would be okay... which is why I was wondering of skipping the COE step.
I think that as long as the visa/COE application is in process, you can stay longer than the tourist status allows.
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