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desultude

Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 614
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Kalima Shahada wrote: |
InterRick wrote: |
Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
todieism |
Is that something "to die" for?
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I think he means toadyism as in apple polisher.
Example: In order to be a 'nice' teacher, you must toady to the students' every request. |
No, to die ism is the belief system you must embrace before entering the tragic kingdom. |
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InterRick
Joined: 18 Jul 2009 Posts: 86
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:53 am Post subject: |
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Kalima Shahada wrote: |
InterRick wrote: |
Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
todieism |
Is that something "to die" for?
IR |
I think he means toadyism as in apple polisher.
Example: In order to be a 'nice' teacher, you must toady to the students' every request. |
Sorry, I forgot to use some icon to indicate an attempt to be clever.
desultude wrote: |
No, to die ism is the belief system you must embrace before entering the tragic kingdom. |
So I'll do so now:  |
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Citizenkane
Joined: 14 Jun 2009 Posts: 234 Location: Xanadu
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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:26 am Post subject: |
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The talk of having students choose their instructor gave me a laugh!
In good old Al Yam, last year they introduced a system whereby on registration, students would also choose their teacher, including for the Interlink English courses. So you've got Mr A and Mr B teaching the same level. Mr A is an experienced and dedicated teacher who expects his students to work hard and also expects a high standard of behaviour in class - ie no handing in assignments late or strolling into class ten minutes from the end and being marked 'bresent'. Mr B, by contrast, is happy to show DVDs in every other lesson, have students come and go as they please (and still be marked 'bresent') and all be passed at the end of term.
Realistically, which teacher do you think is going to have the vast bulk of students signing up for his classes?
Of course, in most English programs, the choice of teacher doesn't really make that much difference because they all do the same course and are evaluated in the same exams at the end of term. The thing about the ridiculous Interlink program, however, is that, because there are no exams and no text books (ie, no curriculum at all) a teacher can literally pass and fail a student because he feels like it. Yes, you read that correctly. So, of course students are going to take the teacher who's going to pass them no matter how little they do. If I'm being honest, I'd have to say that if I were 19 years old and in their position, I'd probably do exactly the same thing.
The sad thing is that this stupid commodification of teachers cost some people their jobs. A former colleague of mine was among the group of teachers (referred to in other threads) who was fired last spring. When he asked why he was told "The students didn't like you. Look how few of them signed up for your courses!"
I mean, what can you say??? |
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ElJuero
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Posts: 58
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:42 pm Post subject: Help! Can someone confirm this as legit even? |
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I've recieved a potential contract from Co. For Education & E-Learning and a Mr. Al-Qahtani.
Thoughts? Concerns? |
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Mia Xanthi

Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 955 Location: why is my heart still in the Middle East while the rest of me isn't?
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Speaking of PMU, they offered me a position several different times, but their HR dept. just couldn't communicate or organize itself enough to return emails or get everything lined up for me to go. Over time, I'd give up on them. So they'd wait something like six months (after they gave me an offer) to say they were sending me an overnight package with my visa and plane ticket. By that time, I had moved on and forgot all about them. So they'd contact me again months later with their apologies and still they couldn't get their HR dept. to return my emails, answer my questions and so forth. I figured it was probably their typical way of dealing with their instructors and staff and I was better off without their offer in the first place - thanks, but NO thanks! |
This is indeed typical of the treatment one can expect from the HR department at PMU. If this is how they treat you when they are recruiting you, you can just imagine how you will be treated once you are hired.
PMU once had a professional HR drector, who knew what he was doing. (Whether you liked him or not was another matter.) Since then, the rector has rotated the job among his top-admin pals, who have no experence whatsoever with the job. This has had a very negative effect on both teacher retention as well as teacher recruitment. All in all, it has been a nightmare for all of those who have had to live through it.
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I heard that they sacked quite a few teachers over the past few years. |
They fired a few teachers, not "quite a few". As desultude has said, the mass exodus of last summer was almost entirely voluntary (i.ee, resignations) on the part of 90% of those who left. I also agree with desultude that there are some teachers at PMU who should be fired, but who have not been, largely due to the exodus of so many "good" teachers at the end of their contracts. If they fired less-than-competent teachers in addition to losing so many well-qualified teachers through resignation, there would be no one left to teach at PMU.
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Griff-James 2
Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: 12
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Are recruiters the future for workers in KSA? |
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Griff-James 2
Joined: 11 Jan 2010 Posts: 12
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Pay doesn't seem to have moved much in ten years. |
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canuckophile
Joined: 04 Feb 2004 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: FYI - that 'time of the month' for women |
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In Korea, women (in school, university or in the WORKFORCE) are entitled to one day's 'menstruation leave' every month. They are supposed to bring in a doctor's excuse, if you can believe it. (Does the doc really check?)
Does SA have the same system?
Just curious - saw someone mention 'menstration' as absence eggskooz. So is this a legit excuse, as in Korea?
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:22 am Post subject: |
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Not for teachers... but female students may try to use it as an excuse for... whatever...
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desultude

Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 614
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:17 am Post subject: |
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veiledsentiments wrote: |
Not for teachers... but female students may try to use it as an excuse for... whatever...
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"I tired teacher"  |
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With Malice Toward None
Joined: 20 Oct 2009 Posts: 250
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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desultude wrote: |
veiledsentiments wrote: |
Not for teachers... but female students may try to use it as an excuse for... whatever...
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"I tired teacher"  |
Teacher to HOD."Sir, One day leave. My wife put baby." |
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Seems reasonable. My students come up with much flimsier excuses. "I hungry." |
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desultude

Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 614
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:27 am Post subject: |
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"I'm tired" is usually code for the girls that means I have my period and don't feel well. It took me a while to figure that one out.
That is, other than the usually whinging "I tired, class finish teacher? |
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F1
Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Cleopatra wrote: |
Not neccessarily, because there will always be people desperate enough to take what we might consider very lousy jobs. They may not be native speakers, they may not have MAs, they may not have much experience... but hey, they'll take what they're given and be glad of it.
Sad to say, but that is all that a lot of employers really care about. |
Agree: that many employers and recruiters don't care/know to do their job to provide the best education for students. But once in a while, someone does.
Agree: experience counts for a LOT.
Disagree: with the insinuation that you need to hold, of all things, an MA (TESOL or other) to be as good a teacher as anyone else. What, for example, does holding an MA in English Literature have to do with being a superior language instructor? I've witnessed PhDs in Applied Linguistics without much of a clue in the classroom (I'd hire a CELTA or DELTA over those any day), and high school dropouts who've topped my in-class observations lists. Fluency, hands-on experience, common sense and a good work ethic rule over letters any day. Sadly, the vast majority of recruiters don't/can't acknowledged this in the hiring process or benefits packages on offer, so yes, they take what they can get.
Agree: being a native and totally fluent speaker is a pretty basic requirement. |
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desert_traveller
Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 335
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Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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in my experience, people who perpetuate the so called native speaker fallacy (http://www.cal.org/resources/digest/0209maum.html) are the ones who do not have much going for them besides their 'nativeness', or who have a hidden (and very often unconscious) agenda with their approach to the native/non-native debate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_imperialism), or who have nothing else to advertise their language schools with but their native speaker teachers (most often backpackers with a celta)
obviously, any teacher teaching any language must be perfectly confident and effortless with the language they teach, but whether all native speakers are like that, well, im just not so sure about that. it is true, tho, that well qualified native speakers (in my experience, a bit of a rarity in tefl) will be more LIKELY to be like that
imho and i know its totally off topic
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