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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject: una negreada Reply with quote

amaranto wrote:
I would call $500 USD a month for 40 hours a week overworked, indeed, if it is at a language school--especially if you will be traveling to your classes.

$3 dollars an hour minus taxes?!?! And probably no benefits. I guess if there's really nothing else, you've done your research of course and it's a choice between that and going home on the next flight.

Bring plenty of money with you or at least have a return ticket if you're going to accept these kind of jobs. You may well need an escape plan.
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Spector



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: una negreada Reply with quote

TheLongWayHome wrote:

$3 dollars an hour minus taxes?!?! And probably no benefits. I guess if there's really nothing else, you've done your research of course and it's a choice between that and going home on the next flight.


The thing is though, the guy didn't do research, as the job was offered to him by ITTO. I think if he had the time (and, of course, the money) he would have got something better than that, simply because I don't believe a guaranteed placement can be as good as something you research and find yourself.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregd75 wrote:
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Err... the same as every other language school?


The same as any other company, you may find.

I have never seen Walmart, Aeromexico or Dell discuss their benefit packages either.


Mexican Federal Labor Law is crystal clear: IMSS, Aguinaldo, Vacation (minimum 6 days paid in the first year), Infonovit and compensation if terminated (minimum of 3 months severence pay) are all clearly in the Mexican Ley Federal del Trabajo:

http://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/pdf/125.pdf

Also, do you follow all the immigration rules and laws? Do all of your foreign ESL teachers have FM-3's in hand before they begin giving classes?
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
gregd75 wrote:
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Err... the same as every other language school?


The same as any other company, you may find.

I have never seen Walmart, Aeromexico or Dell discuss their benefit packages either.


Mexican Federal Labor Law is crystal clear: IMSS, Aguinaldo, Vacation (minimum 6 days paid in the first year), Infonovit and compensation if terminated (minimum of 3 months severence pay) are all clearly in the Mexican Ley Federal del Trabajo:

http://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/pdf/125.pdf

Now that really would be a first in a language school!

This is also the kind of research a teacher should be doing before accepting a job in these places.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:03 pm    Post subject: itto Reply with quote

ITTO also places its graduates with the Canadian Center in Tuxtla Gutierrez and pays them 7,400 a month for 34 hours of teaching a week. Need I say any more?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: itto Reply with quote

geaaronson wrote:
ITTO also places its graduates with the Canadian Center in Tuxtla Gutierrez and pays them 7,400 a month for 34 hours of teaching a week. Need I say any more?


34 hours of teaching sounds to me a lot for someone starting off. Experienced teachers would be able to plan lessons quicker, but for the beginner, it could take as long to plan a lesson as to give it! I remember reading one particularly negative post along these lines somewhere here.

Maybe if you could afford to, it would be better off starting on less hours, keeping your outgoings as low as possible, then when you've got the experience, try and build up hours by touting yourself at the various schools?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: itto Reply with quote

Spector wrote:
geaaronson wrote:
ITTO also places its graduates with the Canadian Center in Tuxtla Gutierrez and pays them 7,400 a month for 34 hours of teaching a week. Need I say any more?


34 hours of teaching sounds to me a lot for someone starting off. Experienced teachers would be able to plan lessons quicker, but for the beginner, it could take as long to plan a lesson as to give it! I remember reading one particularly negative post along these lines somewhere here.

Maybe if you could afford to, it would be better off starting on less hours, keeping your outgoings as low as possible, then when you've got the experience, try and build up hours by touting yourself at the various schools?


I have said it before and I will say it again: You do not need job placement assistance in Mexico. Not from a TEFL school, not from a headhunter service or from any web/internet agency.

If you are a native speaker with a TEFL you can find a job. Simple as that.

I took my TEFL cert. at Dunham Institute and they never got a job for me. I have always found all my jobs on my own.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:58 pm    Post subject: furthermore Reply with quote

Dunham Institute does not have an extensive job placement network, but then again, there are not all that many opportunities for teaching in Chiapas. They did place one teacher that I know of in Comitan de Dominguez, Chiapas biggest language school.
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Spector



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Time to bump an ageing thread Smile

I've been looking through some more posts made in the last few weeks and found it all rather intoxicating.
As a result of what I've read, a refinement of my plan is as follows:

I land in GDL about June to take the TEFL qualification. Then in July I go round the city's language schools and pick up a job somewhere, but with not too many hours (say 15-20). I would be going with about $5000 to spend, so I would be fully prepared (and expecting) to make a loss in my first few months.
There is apparently a mini-hiring season in the colegios and universities at the end of December-beginning of January -is that right? Maybe at that time I would go round them all personally (with suit and tie) and hand them my resume in the hope of getting a job with them. With a few months experience, I might have an edge of other candidates starting fresh.

But how "mini" is this mini hiring season, if you get me? Is it really just a couple of weeks, or could I even start asking in November? What do you think, veterans?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, i'd definitely make my presence known earlier, like you said, in November.

i recently visited a colegio during the mini-hiring season that you mention. They had one vacancy, someone who didnt return after Xmas, but alas, i was too late in Janurary.
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spector wrote:
But how "mini" is this mini hiring season, if you get me? Is it really just a couple of weeks, or could I even start asking in November? What do you think, veterans?

The (annoying) thing about Mexico is that everything is done at the last minute. You probably won't get hired in November but as wildchild says, making your presence known can't hurt.

I got hired by a uni during the first week of January and on 7th I was teaching. I got this job through a recommendation from an old student who's studying at the uni and whose son I taught in a prepa etc. etc. (this is the way most things work in Mexico).

In most unis classes start around 25th January so anytime from the beginning of January till that date is a good time to look for a job. No one really does anything in the run-up to xmas - it's all last minute I'm afraid.

My advice: roll with it, yes you'll be thrown in at the deep end not really knowing what you're doing (and survive!) but that's how things are done here. Enjoy the ride!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:56 pm    Post subject: Right place, right time! Reply with quote

I would say connections are the most important thing in Mexico. But few if any foreigners coming to Mexico to teach English hit the ground with a network of Mexican connections.

That being said, luck and timing are just as important as qualifications in Mexico.

If a school needs a teacher and you just happen to be there...

Waiting to hire the best qualified candidate is not that common in Mexico. And many of the folks that hire English teachers prefer people less qualified than themselves, as they fear an outsider could pose a threat (or even call attention to their often poor level of English).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: Right place, right time! Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
If a school needs a teacher and you just happen to be there...

Waiting to hire the best qualified candidate is not that common in Mexico. And many of the folks that hire English teachers prefer people less qualified than themselves, as they fear an outsider could pose a threat (or even call attention to their often poor level of English).

Very true. I would add 'rule-bending' to that Mexican hiring process. For example: a uni/prepa needs a teacher. Classes start in a few days and a native speaker turns up but without a degree/degree with no apostille - they'll overlook it. Or some papers are missing, nevermind, hire him anyway. We'll take care of it later etc. etc. I'm not a big fan of this but the culture's not going to change anytime soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I got hired by a uni during the first week of January and on 7th I was teaching


My advice would be to be very wary of taking a position in such a 'hurried' way, as mentioned above.

Remember, in the quoted comment above, the employer is probably looking to fill a hole and as mentioned further a long in this thread, may even compromise their standards to do so.

If you are being offered the job and are needed to start immediately, then you may well have some power to negotiate with the institution.

Research a school/job first. You wouldn't want to accept a position like this, just to find out its a nightmare and then end up, say moving school/Uni/institution 4, 5 or 6 times as you find you don't get what you were expecting from the job.

I know its difficult because economic pressures are probably on you to find work, but finding the right job will benefit you in the long term. And will undoubtedly lead to you being happier in whatever you do.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregd75 wrote:
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I got hired by a uni during the first week of January and on 7th I was teaching


My advice would be to be very wary of taking a position in such a 'hurried' way, as mentioned above.

Remember, in the quoted comment above, the employer is probably looking to fill a hole and as mentioned further a long in this thread, may even compromise their standards to do so.

If you are being offered the job and are needed to start immediately, then you may well have some power to negotiate with the institution.

Research a school/job first. You wouldn't want to accept a position like this, just to find out its a nightmare and then end up, say moving school/Uni/institution 4, 5 or 6 times as you find you don't get what you were expecting from the job.

I know its difficult because economic pressures are probably on you to find work, but finding the right job will benefit you in the long term. And will undoubtedly lead to you being happier in whatever you do.

Greg, this is a uni not a language school so I know they're not screwing me over. I know people who have worked there plus I researched it in the time I had, here's what I found out:

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$10,000+ a month for 20 hours teaching.
IMSS, bonuses
The semesters are continuous so I don't have to worry about unpaid vacation time.
QUALIFIED Native speakers are paid at the highest rate.
Nomina bank account set up by the uni.
Efficient helpful staff.


Compare this to what a language school offers here:

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$35 (I kid you not) - $80 an hour

That's the complete package. Oh, and maybe a contract/FM3 if you're lucky.

Someone left them high and dry, this is why they were hiring at the last minute in this case. So far so good.

Researching a job, especially at a language school, is no guarantee you won't be misled or outright lied to. And anyway, language schools hire at the absolute last minute and only when they're desparate for teachers. First native speaker with a pulse through the door gets the job.
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