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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They give you polo shirts, and jeans are fine. Our branches tended to wear polo shirts on weekdays but totally casual clothes on Saturdays. They weren't super anal on the dress code.
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markcmc



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:

And that said, why is it that these guys with ridiculously good qualifications, masterful Mandarin skills, and master's degrees continue to work at Hess as HNSTs? Or even keep teaching English at all? What's in it for them? My HNST had a master's degree in Chinese studies, had spent like 10 years in Chinese-speaking countries studying such diverse subjects as Peking opera and classical Chinese, had utterly fluent Chinese, and was married to a local. Geez, why on earth would someone like that want to continue working for a cram school?


Why these people want to continue is one of life's strange mysteries. Many years ago I worked for Hess for one year, and it was exactly the same then. The only point I differ on is whether it's worthwhile to teach English. I think it can be worthwhile.

Did you ever ask any of them why they were still there? And, by the way, I think you may have overestimated the HNST's salary. Is Hess really that generous?
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123Loto



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fact remains that experienced teachers at Hess can and do make $1,500,000TWD a year. Some make more.
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markcmc



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

123Loto wrote:
The fact remains that experienced teachers at Hess can and do make $1,500,000TWD a year. Some make more.


I'm surprised, but anything is possible. Are these HNST's?
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My HNST actually told us how much he'd made the previous year. Or at least he "alluded" to it.

He said he'd joined the "millionaire's club" last year -- people who break 1,000,000 NTD per year. HOWEVER, he also does translations on the side, so that 1,000,000 NTD was not 100% from his HNST salary.

HNSTs max out their pay in the low 700s, so I highly doubt 1,500,000 NTD a year is possible for an HNST with no side gigs.

Besides, there's more to life than money. If I had been in Taiwan so long to become an HNST, I'd probably have moved on long ago to a public school or university. I wouldn't still be working at a buxiban.
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123Loto



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of a HNST's pay is still derived largely from their teaching:

Say, 40 hours per week x $750 per hour = $30,000 x 48 weeks = $1440000 + $30,000 re-signing bonus, + $10,000 for return rate bonus, + $8000 for kindy clock in bonus, +$50,000 for HNST pay = $1,538,000 per year

obviously that's a pretty thick workload, and you need to be very motivated to make sure your teaching quality doesn't get hammered but it's reasonably common

but as you say - there's more to life than money!!!
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Taylor



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:22 am    Post subject: # Inflated Reply with quote

Dear Readers,

I've never met anyone who can teach EFL 40 hours per week--without burning out after 3 months or so.

Considering the weather in Taiwan, holidays, sick kids and so on, earning that much money in TWO years is a lot more reasonable.

Taylor
10 years in Kaohsiung
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123Loto



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Taylor,

It's not for everyone - but I know several teachers (including myself) who do it and have been doing it for years. One way to go is to teach about 37-38 hours per week normally, and then bump it up on occasion by doing some subbing.

And again, you need to be pretty motivated to make sure your teaching quality doesn't drop.

Perhaps more people head down to sunny Kaohsiung for a more relaxed lifestyle? Just a thought...

By the way, the schedule I'm describing would include 2 classes on a Saturday, and 6:30pm finishes every day of the week except for one, which would be 8:30pm.

Furthermore, you'd need to teach kindergarten, which some people prefer not to do.

123Loto
9 years in Taipei
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Clowwwn



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those of you who supplement your income with private lessons, how did you find people to tutor? I'll be doing language school in the evenings, and wouldn't mind doing private tutoring or language exchange to pick up some Mandarin.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clowwwn wrote:
For those of you who supplement your income with private lessons, how did you find people to tutor? I'll be doing language school in the evenings, and wouldn't mind doing private tutoring or language exchange to pick up some Mandarin.
I get lots of tutoring offers, but usually when I tell them my price (which is still way below the going rate), they lose interest.

Most of my tutoring inquiries have been from random taitai or xiaojie on the street who only speak Chinese. The woman at the bicycle shop. The woman at the seafood restaurant. The girl on the bus.

I used to tutor in Korea. Totally not worth it. You spend an hour on public transportation to get to a job, teach for one hour to a kid whose attention span is three seconds long and never does his homework or studies a single word you taught him, and then spend another hour on public transportation. F--- that. Even teaching at a buxiban is better.
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zipper



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

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creztor



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could try a few of the websites that have listings of tutors and students can get in touch with you. However, as Rooster pointed out, most people on these sites and the average Joe you bump into on the street is looking to pay 300 - 400NT per hour. I guess he means around 600NT and hour as the going rate and while there are people who will pay that and much more, the problem is actually finding them. I've been told many times that I should drop my hourly rate down and I just haven't because any less than 600 is wrong in my books. I once met a woman who wanted me to tutor her two children, she was unable to speak English and she was looking to pay 200NT an hour or thereabouts. There are a lot of these people around who are unaware of what foreign teachers earn and they assume you will work for 200 - 300NT per hour. You'll need guanxi to find the high paying ones, something I don't have.

Clowwwn wrote:
For those of you who supplement your income with private lessons, how did you find people to tutor? I'll be doing language school in the evenings, and wouldn't mind doing private tutoring or language exchange to pick up some Mandarin.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

creztor wrote:
You could try a few of the websites that have listings of tutors and students can get in touch with you. However, as Rooster pointed out, most people on these sites and the average Joe you bump into on the street is looking to pay 300 - 400NT per hour. I guess he means around 600NT and hour as the going rate and while there are people who will pay that and much more, the problem is actually finding them. I've been told many times that I should drop my hourly rate down and I just haven't because any less than 600 is wrong in my books. I once met a woman who wanted me to tutor her two children, she was unable to speak English and she was looking to pay 200NT an hour or thereabouts. There are a lot of these people around who are unaware of what foreign teachers earn and they assume you will work for 200 - 300NT per hour. You'll need guanxi to find the high paying ones, something I don't have.

Clowwwn wrote:
For those of you who supplement your income with private lessons, how did you find people to tutor? I'll be doing language school in the evenings, and wouldn't mind doing private tutoring or language exchange to pick up some Mandarin.
Yeah, I've had the same experience. The woman at the bicycle shop said she wanted to learn English and asked about my price. I was desperate for money so I offered her a rate of 350 NTD an hour -- approximately half the going rate. She never contacted me or asked again.

Of course, nothing is more insulting than my former co-teacher from Korea who asked me to tutor her. So I told her I'd take 20,000 won an hour if I went to her, or she could come to me and I'd only take 10,000 won an hour. This was at the height of the Korean won currency crisis when the exchange rate was like 1,500 to the dollar, and nevertheless, SHE SAID IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE!
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yamahuh



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:

HNSTs max out their pay in the low 700s, so I highly doubt 1,500,000 NTD a year is possible for an HNST with no side gigs.


Hell, I make more than that in my first year at my current position.
What in the world is an HNST?
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creztor



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HNST = Head Native English Speaker Teacher?

Guys that manage the teachers at branches and act as the middleman between management and foreign teachers. I could be wwwwrong though Smile
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