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Who is officially responsible for developments of English?
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd recommend Flann O'Brien's At Swim-Two-Birds for a novel which goes out of its way to ignore, play with, or deliberately violate "conventions". Riotously funny too.
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rogerwallace



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:56 pm    Post subject: why english is so hard to have a command of Reply with quote

if everyone in in comand of english, this could be why few people have but a rote understanding of it. It's also why few students(at least in china) rarely graduate from an american university, unless their parents have very deep pockets.
Its also why its ludicrous to teach literature when students don't even have a vocabulary of more than 8000 words. Prefix/suffix and Latin root-words make up the majority of English, so whenthat isn't focused on, the result is -whatever...
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desultude



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:32 pm    Post subject: Re: why english is so hard to have a command of Reply with quote

rogerwallace wrote:
if everyone in in comand of english, this could be why few people have but a rote understanding of it. It's also why few students(at least in china) rarely graduate from an american university, unless their parents have very deep pockets.
Its also why its ludicrous to teach literature when students don't even have a vocabulary of more than 8000 words. Prefix/suffix and Latin root-words make up the majority of English, so whenthat isn't focused on, the result is -whatever...


You make a very good case for the strenuous teaching of English- especially in terms of spelling and capitalization. Sentence structure is important also.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear desultude,

Oh, you slyboots, you.

Regards,
John
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desultude



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear desultude,

Oh, you slyboots, you.

Regards,
John


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LarssonCrew



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the development of words that are officially included in English, Oxford Presses releases it's updated Oxford Dictionary is very much considered the mecca as for whether a word is officially an English word.

As to the allowing of certain styles, what should be used and when etc., god knows.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A number of scholars would reject the OED as any particular authority, though it is, in fact, a pretty informative dictionary.

Historically it's been extremely centric in its attitude to non-British variants of English, though it's better about this recently.

If you have the chance to have a browse, though, you can find a lot of stuff in the OED that isn't really closely tied to any English use I've run into.

The official authority it ain't.


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Justin
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Chancellor



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread seems more like the debate between prescriptive and descriptive.

http://grammar.about.com/od/basicsentencegrammar/a/grammarintro.htm
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