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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: |
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I'd recommend Flann O'Brien's At Swim-Two-Birds for a novel which goes out of its way to ignore, play with, or deliberately violate "conventions". Riotously funny too. |
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rogerwallace
Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 66 Location: California
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: why english is so hard to have a command of |
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if everyone in in comand of english, this could be why few people have but a rote understanding of it. It's also why few students(at least in china) rarely graduate from an american university, unless their parents have very deep pockets.
Its also why its ludicrous to teach literature when students don't even have a vocabulary of more than 8000 words. Prefix/suffix and Latin root-words make up the majority of English, so whenthat isn't focused on, the result is -whatever... |
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desultude

Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 614
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: why english is so hard to have a command of |
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rogerwallace wrote: |
if everyone in in comand of english, this could be why few people have but a rote understanding of it. It's also why few students(at least in china) rarely graduate from an american university, unless their parents have very deep pockets.
Its also why its ludicrous to teach literature when students don't even have a vocabulary of more than 8000 words. Prefix/suffix and Latin root-words make up the majority of English, so whenthat isn't focused on, the result is -whatever... |
You make a very good case for the strenuous teaching of English- especially in terms of spelling and capitalization. Sentence structure is important also. |
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johnslat

Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 13859 Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Dear desultude,
Oh, you slyboots, you.
Regards,
John |
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desultude

Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 614
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Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 8:22 am Post subject: |
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johnslat wrote: |
Dear desultude,
Oh, you slyboots, you.
Regards,
John |
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LarssonCrew
Joined: 06 Jun 2009 Posts: 1308
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Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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For the development of words that are officially included in English, Oxford Presses releases it's updated Oxford Dictionary is very much considered the mecca as for whether a word is officially an English word.
As to the allowing of certain styles, what should be used and when etc., god knows. |
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Justin Trullinger

Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 3110 Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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A number of scholars would reject the OED as any particular authority, though it is, in fact, a pretty informative dictionary.
Historically it's been extremely centric in its attitude to non-British variants of English, though it's better about this recently.
If you have the chance to have a browse, though, you can find a lot of stuff in the OED that isn't really closely tied to any English use I've run into.
The official authority it ain't.
Best,
Justin |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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