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thebigeasy



Joined: 05 Sep 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:12 pm    Post subject: HCT/CERT update Reply with quote

Thanks to all who replied to my original post/question. I am grateful for your kindness.

So, here I am...three days left to make the final decision...do I go to work at CERT or no?

As you mentioned VS, the absence of complainers here is a good sign. That said though, I see from HCT's website that they list only 2 HCT people currently working at CERT. So, perhaps they don't look at/use this forum.

I have been 'assured' by HCT that the hours of work are from 8am-5pm so, the mention of late night classes is a surprise to me. If anyone has any more info about these late classes, I'd be grateful to read it.

The 20 week long terms also seem a little steep to me. Sure, they may go by quickly enough once everyone gets busy but, it still seems a lot of time to do what we all know can be a tough job at times and not have a break.

May I also just throw one last thing into the pot here...housing. I have had all the bumpf from HCT about what to expect, housing allowance etc and I know there are a wide range of different types of accommodation offered. But, just what can I realistically expect to be the 'norm' in housing at CERT for a single status guy? And where is it located with regard to the CERT campus?

Thanks to all, and best wishes,

TBE
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:33 pm    Post subject: Good luck... Reply with quote

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adorabilly



Joined: 20 May 2006
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Location: Ras Al Khaimah

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TBE.

Sorry, but people at HCT (and CERT) most definatley know of Daves. From what I understand it is often the topic of conversation at various colleges (along the line of "did you read that thread on daves?").

There are plenty of folks there who come to daves regularly, but who do not post. It is well known that various supervisors and administrators regularly check daves to see who is posting about the different campuses (campi? Smile

AS for the late courses, at many of the branches the mens colleges often run classes into the evenings as many of the male students have jobs during the day. I'm not sure how CERT works though.

As for 20 week terms... There have been 20 week semesters (depending on ramadan, eids, national day holidays etc) and often you will have your first semester broken up with lots of holidays, and then the second semesetr will be 16 straight weeks...

As for housing... HCT has a group of housing. There is very little "choice" that you have concerning the housing you are assigned.
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thebigeasy



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks very much for your comment adorabilly; as I said, 'perhaps' the existing CERT people do not read use/look at this site. Then again, perhaps they do. However, without those people making it clear that they work there (and, of course, you are right about people/supervisors talking about davesesl and the need, at times, to be discreet), I have no more idea than the next person just who they are.

NCTBA I am sorry but I do not understand what you wrote.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: HCT/CERT update Reply with quote

thebigeasy wrote:
As you mentioned VS, the absence of complainers here is a good sign. That said though, I see from HCT's website that they list only 2 HCT people currently working at CERT. So, perhaps they don't look at/use this forum.

Oh, I'd say, many of them read - especially with some of the threads lately, but current employees are usually loathe to post. Laughing (Hi managers!! ... waves...) That said, ex-employees normally feel free to come here and point out their failings, which is why I consider the lack of posts a good sign.

thebigeasy wrote:
I have been 'assured' by HCT that the hours of work are from 8am-5pm so, the mention of late night classes is a surprise to me. If anyone has any more info about these late classes, I'd be grateful to read it.

I find that an odd assurance since it has never been an 8-5 job. At my college it was 7-2 or 3. Some colleges later added evening classes. Perhaps Adorabilly knows how they handle that, but I expect that it doesn't mean that you work more hours in a week. Or perhaps CERT does make you be there from 8-5.

thebigeasy wrote:
The 20 week long terms also seem a little steep to me. Sure, they may go by quickly enough once everyone gets busy but, it still seems a lot of time to do what we all know can be a tough job at times and not have a break.

HCT has always had the longest semesters. As I recall they were about 18-19 weeks when I was there. Nowadays all the holidays are in the first semester... so it has been made longer. But this means that the second semester will feel never ending since it has few, if any, breaks. This will be the situation for the next few years until Ramadhan cycles back into spring. Since you are considering CERT, this may have little to do with your schedule since their "semesters" may have a different schedule.

thebigeasy wrote:
May I also just throw one last thing into the pot here...housing. But, just what can I realistically expect to be the 'norm' in housing at CERT for a single status guy? And where is it located with regard to the CERT campus?

Housing is usually the least of the problems. The minimum in their housing inventory is a 2 bdr in a relatively new building... normally with central AC. You can furnish it nicely with the 30,000 allowance... or camp out and use the money to buy a car. Cool (yes, I know some that did that) Location and proximity to your campus is a crapshoot. Plus with CERT, you may not be teaching on campus, but out at another location. (military camp... at a private business perhaps) If there is a serious problem with the housing, you can request to change at the end of the academic year to move to something else that has opened up in their inventory. This is rather a seniority thing... or if you make friends with the housing office. Cool

VS
(never mind NCTBA... many of his posts are a mystery to all of us... but he's harmless...)
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ckhl



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm an HCT veteran. The 20-week semesters, of which you'll probably be teaching for at least 16 of them, were interminable. Subsequent jobs that have run more according to the semester system in the USA have come as a relief, a real treat. Total teaching weeks have amounted to about thirteen, all things considered. Overall, housing at HCT is pretty good. The commute may be the only drag you'll face depending on where you're posted. What I found most sickening, however, was the posturing on the part of some colleagues.
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scrog_420



Joined: 21 Dec 2009
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Location: State of Jefferson

PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice to you about working hours is shut up about it. I never worked anywhere in KSA or the UAE where I was not home by 2:00 or 3:00 in the afternoon, yet I'm sure that in every one of those places there was some official policy of working until 4:00 or 5:00. The fact is that your supervisors want to go home early too, so there's a tacit agreement that we'll all go home early in the afternoon as long as we come in plenty early in the morning. The more you bug them about official work hours, the more likely it is that you'll give someone the idea of actually enforcing the official policy.
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Afra



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I regularly teach until 7.30 pm, sometimes later, although content teachers have more late hours then ESL teachers. If you teach after 5pm, you should not have an 8am start the following day and you adjust your office hours accordingly. It's not a problem and you won't work more hours.
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With Malice Toward None



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scrog_420 wrote:
My advice to you about working hours is shut up about it. I never worked anywhere in KSA or the UAE where I was not home by 2:00 or 3:00 in the afternoon, yet I'm sure that in every one of those places there was some official policy of working until 4:00 or 5:00. The fact is that your supervisors want to go home early too, so there's a tacit agreement that we'll all go home early in the afternoon as long as we come in plenty early in the morning. The more you bug them about official work hours, the more likely it is that you'll give someone the idea of actually enforcing the official policy.


I remember one day, we were all sitting around doing nothing(no students, nothing) since morning and I and a couple of guys got in a car and left at around 12.. we were all called back as some goon immediately informed the admin. We saved face by saying we were gone to get some sandwiches. Efficient system.
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thebigeasy



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once again, thank you for your informative replies. I am much obliged to you for your time and trouble.

Best wishes to all and take care.

TBE
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Armbar



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Side-question:

My online status for CERT has been stuck passed pre screen for ages. Means what? Anyway to contact them? Cert hires when?
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