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Glenski
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| rikai wrote: |
| woah woah woah, I didn't say anything about dual citizenship. I'm a Japanese national only. |
You said you were "half Japanese", so it was fair to assume. You didn't correct me when I mentioned it either.
If you are a Japanese national, why is your Japanese ability only JLPT2 or 3? |
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David W
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| rikai wrote: |
Ioughtaknow, thanks a lot for the advice about needing a foreign passport for ALT work, that'll save me a lot of wasted applications.
ALT work is clearly not an option. |
Just because some joker on the internet says that, doesn't mean it's true. I work in a private high school and I never had to show my passport to anyone. My status and responsibilities are exactly the same as the (numerous) other Japanese part-time teachers at my school. |
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Inflames
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| David W wrote: |
| rikai wrote: |
Ioughtaknow, thanks a lot for the advice about needing a foreign passport for ALT work, that'll save me a lot of wasted applications.
ALT work is clearly not an option. |
Just because some joker on the internet says that, doesn't mean it's true. I work in a private high school and I never had to show my passport to anyone. My status and responsibilities are exactly the same as the (numerous) other Japanese part-time teachers at my school. |
I knew a woman at Interac who was a dual national (Japanese and something else) and she had no problems. You don't need a foreign passport for ALT work. |
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I Oughta Know
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:49 am Post subject: |
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He does not have a foreign passport.
I did not mean to say that it is impossible to find work at a school, but if applying through one of the big programs, they generally require foreign citizenship. More importantly, if applying for prefectural accreditation as a teacher, like I have, you are required to submit your diploma, transcript, and ARC to qualify.
Private institutions do not always require accreditation, and part-time teachers in general also rarely require it.
Best bet is to be up front about it and see what the response is. If you purport yourself as a foreigner and are found out to be, in fact, Japanese, you may find yourself being accused of fraud (and looking for another job). |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| I Oughta Know wrote: |
If you want to be hired as an ALT in a school (public or private), then you must hold a foreign passport in order to qualify for a foreign language teacher's license. If you only have a Japanese passport, then you will fall into a different category and not be qualified as a teacher.
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What is this "foreign language teacher's licence"? It's the first I've heard of it.
And to add my two cents to the "MA by 22" debate, I had my 3-year BA completed at the age of 20 years and 8 months, so I also could have had an MA at 22. |
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I Oughta Know
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| David W wrote: |
| rikai wrote: |
Ioughtaknow, thanks a lot for the advice about needing a foreign passport for ALT work, that'll save me a lot of wasted applications.
ALT work is clearly not an option. |
Just because some joker on the internet says that, doesn't mean it's true. I work in a private high school and I never had to show my passport to anyone. My status and responsibilities are exactly the same as the (numerous) other Japanese part-time teachers at my school. |
David, check it out and you will find that those Japanese coworkers were hired with different qualifications than you. You are a foreigner, he is not, and is therefore subject to different hiring standards....You may have the same responsibilities, but you do not have the same qualifications. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| I Oughta Know wrote: |
| If you want to be hired as an ALT in a school (public or private), then you must hold a foreign passport in order to qualify for a foreign language teacher's license. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but JET Programme ALTs don't get any sort of license, do they? If not, why would a dispatch agency ALT be any different? |
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David W
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| I Oughta Know wrote: |
| David W wrote: |
| rikai wrote: |
Ioughtaknow, thanks a lot for the advice about needing a foreign passport for ALT work, that'll save me a lot of wasted applications.
ALT work is clearly not an option. |
Just because some joker on the internet says that, doesn't mean it's true. I work in a private high school and I never had to show my passport to anyone. My status and responsibilities are exactly the same as the (numerous) other Japanese part-time teachers at my school. |
David, check it out and you will find that those Japanese coworkers were hired with different qualifications than you. You are a foreigner, he is not, and is therefore subject to different hiring standards....You may have the same responsibilities, but you do not have the same qualifications. |
I arrived in Japan at night but it wasn't last night. At least some of the part-time teachers are, I know for a fact, hired under the same terms I was, they have no official Japanese teaching license but have special skills in various subjects. Private schools can and do have different standards to public ones. |
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I Oughta Know
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| David W wrote: |
| I Oughta Know wrote: |
| David W wrote: |
| rikai wrote: |
Ioughtaknow, thanks a lot for the advice about needing a foreign passport for ALT work, that'll save me a lot of wasted applications.
ALT work is clearly not an option. |
Just because some joker on the internet says that, doesn't mean it's true. I work in a private high school and I never had to show my passport to anyone. My status and responsibilities are exactly the same as the (numerous) other Japanese part-time teachers at my school. |
David, check it out and you will find that those Japanese coworkers were hired with different qualifications than you. You are a foreigner, he is not, and is therefore subject to different hiring standards....You may have the same responsibilities, but you do not have the same qualifications. |
I arrived in Japan at night but it wasn't last night. At least some of the part-time teachers are, I know for a fact, hired under the same terms I was, they have no official Japanese teaching license but have special skills in various subjects. Private schools can and do have different standards to public ones. |
Indeed that is true. I am employed at a private high school as a full-time teacher and was required to have a license from the prefectural school board. This allows me to lead my own classes and assign grades to my students without the supervision of another teacher. The assistant and part-time teachers here are not required to carry the same license. |
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seklarwia
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| Glenski wrote: |
You said you were "half Japanese", so it was fair to assume. You didn't correct me when I mentioned it either.
If you are a Japanese national, why is your Japanese ability only JLPT2 or 3? |
Is Japanese ability a requirement to be a national?
Some of my returnee students also have very low Japanese abilities. One of my JTEs and I have been spending alot of time translating class notes about Japanese history and politics into English for them because they have problems understanding ideas and vocabulary that wouldn't come up in everyday Japanese conversations.
It all depends on how much of their compulsory schooling was done in Japanese.
And on uni note: I went to uni for 4 years and was still 21 (I could have been 20 if I wasn't doing a course that required a year living abroad) when I graduated. So, if I had done the 5th year for an MA, I would have also have been 22 when I completed it. I'm 24 now, and a couple of our 2nd year UK JETs are still younger than me with one being about a year younger. |
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rikai
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| It all depends on how much of their compulsory schooling was done in Japanese. |
...and sadly my education was as English as English could be. My father didn't think teaching me Japanese was at all important.
I disagree, and if any of you are bringing up biracial children then I implore to teach them both languages. It should be the price you have to pay for marrying a hot foreign wife. |
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Apsara
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| It all depends on how much of their compulsory schooling was done in Japanese. |
...and sadly my education was as English as English could be. My father didn't think teaching me Japanese was at all important.
I disagree, and if any of you are bringing up biracial children then I implore to teach them both languages. It should be the price you have to pay for marrying a hot foreign wife. |
Some of us have hot foreign husbands... |
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womblingfree
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Be aware of some possible prejudice you may encounter towards being only half Japanese. The most prejudice may come from not being fluent in Japanese and being called a Nikkei.
My Japanese Brazillian friend had a pretty tough time when she went over and tried to speak in pidgin Japanese. Actually, when she spoke in perfect English though everyone kissed her ass.  |
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womblingfree
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| Glenski wrote: |
| rikai wrote: |
| woah woah woah, I didn't say anything about dual citizenship. I'm a Japanese national only. |
You said you were "half Japanese", so it was fair to assume. |
I didn't think dual nationality was possible for Japanese after the age of 18 or 21? You have to decide, all or nothing. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Is Japanese ability a requirement to be a national? |
Nope, and the OP has explained it clearly now after 2 pages. I suspected as much, but thought I should ask. No harm in that, is there?
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| I didn't think dual nationality was possible for Japanese after the age of 18 or 21? You have to decide, all or nothing. |
As I wrote earlier, before one reaches their 22nd birthday, they are supposed to choose, yes, but there are many who don't do it and keep this dual nationality in secret. The government doesn't take aggressive action to "catch" them.
| I Oughta Know wrote: |
| I am employed at a private high school as a full-time teacher and was required to have a license from the prefectural school board. This allows me to lead my own classes and assign grades to my students without the supervision of another teacher. The assistant and part-time teachers here are not required to carry the same license. |
PT teachers are not required to have any license at all, in fact. I was one in a private school, too, then became FT and had to get the rinji license. AFAIK, ALTs don't need any license either. |
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