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mjzinc



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:00 am    Post subject: Anyone teach kindergarten? Reply with quote

I searched but didn't find much.

Based on what I have read first timers usually have to teach middle school or anything (and sometimes everything) in between.



I have found two POVs regarding the rugrat age group.

1-It is a nightmare to be avoided/tolerated until a better opportunity presents itself

-or-

2- It is preferred over other age groups with the exception of uni

Am I asking for trouble with this age group as my preference?
Anyone have any good experiences?
School recommendations?

Thanks for the input.
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tomstone



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like teaching Kindergarten and pre-school, they usually behave themselves after a stern look or standing in the corner (sometimes they cry). They're also less self-conscious about trying. With the university students, it takes about three weeks of a) vague threats about lower grades and b) taking some of the worst offenders aside and making specific threats about failing grades before they start to realize that I'm serious.
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ttorriel



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, everyone is different. Only YOU can decide what suits you.
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creztor



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a fair question. However, do you like children? Can you spend x number of hours a day playing with them and teaching at a level they need to be taught at? Some people love kindy for the above and many other reasons. Other people don't like having to jump around like a bubble of joy all day. I will say that the younger groups are usually less of a headache but will require you to be more physically active. Why not sign up at a place and try it yourself to see how you go?
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kukiv



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Biggest difference between the mature and kindergarten student work is the creation of classroom material. I'm afraid most kindies in China are different from those back home in that come in a traditional classroom setting - and expect the FT to teach a classroom of behind desk children rather than jump about and play in make it up as you go fashion. Some of these kindies actually use text books - and require the teacher to try and get the kids to memorise (not necessarily understanding) lists of sentences, rhymes and songs.
As with the mature student text books work materials - much of that you'll be supplied with can be total crap - but at least those older uni students know how to fall asleep in your lesson - they have had a whole education lifetime of being able to suck in and cope with boredom - while the kindy student.......well these guys for all the putting them in corners, making them cry..........they don't take crap too lightly. If your lessons suck and are boring they'll let you know - by fidgeting, talking, playing etc etc - one or two kids are easy to cope with but when you have 10+ kids who are bored out their brains - you are in a no win situation.
To cope with this you have to have all sorts of special tools - games (and lots of them since the kids soon get bored playing the same stuff), songs that they enjoy singing (lots of these as well since your kindy bosses often demand that), flashcards (these often have to be handmade since those you can get are often totally crap) and props, like toys and puppets that give your lessons the kind of interest and entertainment value that keep these young kids on your side rather than creating a minor rebellion.

Then you have to find topics for your lessons - unlike the older students who can spend a month or so studying a set-book or carrying out a specific project - topics usually only last a single lesson. The usual problem for the kindy teacher is - 'what the hell do I teach today?'

Kindy teachers for a good reason often need to be highly trained to fully understand their job - a training that also comes through hard won experience - otherwise its often here comes the monkey - and you'll just be a smiling white face to impress the parents and a plaything punch-bag to entertain the kids.
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tomstone



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and require the teacher to try and get the kids to memorise (not necessarily understanding)


Which means another generation of university "parrots".
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Mr. English



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:26 am    Post subject: must disagree Reply with quote

I must disagree with kukiv. I have taught kindergarten in Guangzhou, at numerous kindergartens, teaching for an outfit that provides foreign teachers to any school that wants one, from five days a week to once a semester. The schools, every one of them, had a textbook and a program; I never had to design my own. Being 6'7" (2.01 meters) I had my problems, the principals think that I am too tall for the job, but the kids love me, as I do them; they are the best to teach. They run into the room with smiles on their faces and they are full of enthusiasm.
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kukiv



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Which means another generation of university "parrots".

indeed 'rote-learning' method starts early - in fact for those of you of a more sensitive disposition, working in the more "results" at almost any cost type Chinese Kindy can be a disturbing experience (those that use forced memorization techniques) - as the natural exuberance and instinct of the small child is broken and pacified to be yet another easy to manipulate and manage classroom zombie.
But don't worry they survive - and surprisingly at a latter stage, can break out of their cocoons and actually restart their real learning processes.
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kukiv



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The schools, every one of them, had a textbook and a program; I never had to design my own.

Well lets hear about these textbooks for kindergarten students - tell us little about how many topics you cover during a semester - and do they include the famous learn by rote sentences??????
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cormac



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I enjoyed Kinder teaching. High energy needed to do the work, but it was a lot of fun. Chinese kids can be adorable or outright crazy. Its worth noting that kinder can cover any age from 3 - 10.. you might be doing kinder but end up taking "older" classes as well.

I hated children when i started teaching and grew to love them . Never want to do Kinder again, but I think its a great way to learn to teach. Things are so unpredictable, and you will learn to be able to change lesson plans depending on class attitude or the parents (depending on the school you might have parents in many classes watching), and the contribution of the assistant teachers (chinese, usually female).

Regards books, I did KK in Xi'an, so we had the KK setup of books. We knew the letters or pictures to get across, used the songs KK provided, and the learning games were up to us.
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kukiv



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Regards books, I did KK in Xi'an, so we had the KK setup of books.

Also love to hear about these books. The English that was taught from these books - was that in sentence form - as in teaching the kids to memorise sentences?
And KK - what does that stand for - Kindergarten class or Kid Castle????

If you were teaching kids up to 10 yo - I suspect you're talking about working at a mill - a very different kettle of fish than working at a kindergarten.
Even if you're being farmed out to the kindies you're not going to them more than once a week - sometimes only once a month - so you can use the same lesson as many times as you have different classes.
If you actually work at a kindy - then its the same classes every day - every day new lessons to be planned Idea
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cormac



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kukiv wrote:
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Regards books, I did KK in Xi'an, so we had the KK setup of books.

Also love to hear about these books. The English that was taught from these books - was that in sentence form - as in teaching the kids to memorise sentences?
And KK - what does that stand for - Kindergarten class or Kid Castle????


KK, yes Kids castle. They "provided" little magazine thingies - in that we used and reused the same mags and were docked cash if they got lost or damaged. And considering the numbers of kids in the staff room everything got damaged. When I was leaving they had invested in rather heavy and thick books, but I doubt they would receive much use. More of a marketing gimmick. The mags just showed the letters, and songs from KK, and subsequent images. TBH we used flashcards made by ourselves more than the mags.

Its was kinder... initially letters and numbers. Then basic set sentences so they learned to understand the sound of the english. Then in later classes sentence structure received attention, but the idea was to make it fun (which would mean the parents would be happy to pay loads for them to be there). KK also had a series of characters, and a storyline for the kids to learn..

It was a pretty good system in that kids were given the chance to learn to enjoy the language before they got loaded with too much structure. With an almost 3 month schedule per class, kids got the chance to learn the letters, numbers, songs, and such, and then move up to a new set of classes afterwards.

BTW, I was farmed out to do kindies in other places, and I preferred KK's style. Kids learned quicker, and without the confusion which many older children have when they've been rushed through the basics.


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If you were teaching kids up to 10 yo - I suspect you're talking about working at a mill - a very different kettle of fish than working at a kindergarten.
Even if you're being farmed out to the kindies you're not going to them more than once a week - sometimes only once a month - so you can use the same lesson as many times as you have different classes.
If you actually work at a kindy - then its the same classes every day - every day new lessons to be planned Idea


I had 6 kinder "classes" (20 kids in each) of my own a week. Each class time was 1.5 hours with parents in the room or watching from a window. (Depended on the numbers of parents wanting to watch, and my own limits on parents). I worked 3 hours week days (2 classes), and between 6-9 hours (4-6 classes) on Saturday & and Sunday. [Demonstration and "test" classes not included]

So yes, it was a language mill, and definitely a kinder. These age groups and their parents liked me, which is why I got more of these type of classes. They had tried me with "young adults" (aged 8-11) but I didn't really work well with them. Although if another teacher was sick or on holidays I picked up their work.

As for lesson plans, after about 3 months there it was the case of using older lesson plans from previous classes since the course content remained the same. made sense to keep copies and reuse. Although with any kindy, you need to be able to change at the top of a hat. We would have two letters or a letter and a song to teach in 1.5 hours. Sometimes the kids would learn it in 5 minutes, and then you're wondering what to do for the rest of the time. (going ahead was extremely discouraged by mgt). Other times, one kid would start crying, and then the rest would explode, or just be not in the mood to have fun.

TBH.. your "Real" kindy is a bit much. It depends on the company you're working for. I knew FTs from 6 different companies in Xi'an, and each of the bosses managed the kindy differently. And frankly, most places I have heard of were language mills with the exception of small time operations with limited numbers, or those established a long time ago and operating on the prestige of their names/reputation.
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kukiv



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Each class time was 1.5 hours with parents in the room or watching from a window........Sometimes the kids would learn it in 5 minutes, and then you're wondering what to do for the rest of the time

90 minute classes sound horrific - when we did kindy (for 5 years) - anything over 30 mins - that is trying to teach Children the basics of English, combined with having fun and not letting the whole class dissolve into a bored mayhem - was the main challenge of the operation. After all there are only so many songs you can sing and games to play in a 90 minute time-frame - I reckon a lot of your work must have been focused on getting those remaining minutes to tick bye!!!!!

As for the most text-books in the Kindy range - yes they're just a another thing to flog to the parents - and practically useless as tools on which to build a series of lessons. As you've stated the important stuff like flashcards usually gets made by the FT themselves.
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kukiv wrote:
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Each class time was 1.5 hours with parents in the room or watching from a window........Sometimes the kids would learn it in 5 minutes, and then you're wondering what to do for the rest of the time

90 minute classes sound horrific - when we did kindy (for 5 years) - anything over 30 mins - that is trying to teach Children the basics of English, combined with having fun and not letting the whole class dissolve into a bored mayhem - was the main challenge of the operation. After all there are only so many songs you can sing and games to play in a 90 minute time-frame - I reckon a lot of your work must have been focused on getting those remaining minutes to tick bye!!!!!

lots of clock watching i'm sure ! ! !

i have some (very little thankfully) experience in those 90 min kindergarten classes - nightmarish Exclamation
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cormac



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ever-changing Cleric wrote:

i have some (very little thankfully) experience in those 90 min kindergarten classes - nightmarish Exclamation


When i started working there first it was 45 minutes long, and then 1 month after I arrived they decided to change things. Worst idea ever. It can, and does work for older classes but 90 minutes is way too long for kids of younger ages. 2 classes of 90 minutes killed me (tire me out) more than 4 classes of 45 minutes... The weekends tended to be a nightmare.
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