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How do you tell a Saudi student they've failed?
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear trap,

But - did he PASS? Or did YOU fail him?

But you've got to admire his determination:

"OK I will try my best to get 50"!!!

Getting a 50 out of a possible 40 isn't too easy.

Regards,
John
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does your institution fail students ? How does it handle this ? The litmus test ,if you ask me.
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trapezius



Joined: 13 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnslat wrote:
Dear trap,

But - did he PASS? Or did YOU fail him?

But you've got to admire his determination:

"OK I will try my best to get 50"!!!


That wasn't 'determination', that is a case of dyscalculia, as far as that student goes.

And no, I didn't fail him, he failed himself. I just recorded an 'F' in the grading system!
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Linguist



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
How do you tell a student that they've failed ?


"Sweetie / Dude, you need a brain transplant to pass my course. Laughing
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Sheikh N Bake



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yah, then I write on his/her paper, "You're definately a looser!
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The Lathe of Heaven



Joined: 02 Sep 2009
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Location: drifting from dream to dream from future to future

PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a rhetorical question. Right?

TLOH
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This must be an insurmountable problem when it comes to Accreditation. Any accrediting body wants to know

1. How are students selected for admission ?
2. How are students deemed to have reached the level required for graduation ?

The first question can be squirmed out of by waffling about "open access", but the second.........................
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear scot47,


"The first question can be squirmed out of by waffling about "open access", but the second........................."

Easy - to borrow a phrase from accounting: Cook the books.

Regards,
John
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And if they do external exams like TOEFL or IELTS ?
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but those are normally only used to intake. I believe that accreditation is looking more at content courses... programs, syllabus and such.

For instance when I taught accounting at HCT. The course was so dumbed down that even though we had nearly triple the hours per week and three more weeks in a semester... we covered about 30% of what would have been covered in the same course with the same textbook in the US.

That is the sort of stuff that needs to be "cooked" to get accreditation from an outside organization.

VS
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Cleopatra



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