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		| Glenski 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:58 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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Figure 30,000-60,000 for food, 15,000-20,000 for utilities, and 3500-8000 for phone/Internet. 
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	  | just a quick question for all experts - my salary is 255,000 yen a month, my rent up to 110,000 - how livable is this salary after minusing the rent fee? consider food, tax, bills and a generally good but not extravagant level of social life, will i have enough to get by? |  
 What kind of insurance were you going to get?
 
 I'd say you're going to have to be pretty frugal.  Why don't you get a cheaper apartment for starters?
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		| mushroomyakuza 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:27 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Glenski, I'd love to, but the problem is arranging an apartment in japan while im still in the UK. if you have any suggestions i'd hear them - for now, the plan is to take an apartment from Shane, who charge 100-110k for a double apartment, which i need. so if you know a good site or anywhere to arrange a decent place in tokyo from the UK, I'm all ears. |  |  
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		| Apsara 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:51 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| There are definitely cheaper apartments out there even in Tokyo- by double apartment do you mean two-bedroom? Can I ask in what area and why you need two bedrooms? Your rent is almost half your income, and all the financial experts say it shouldn't be more than about a third. As it is you will be able to live on the remainder as long as you are a bit frugal, but savings and overseas trips are going to be hard to budget for. |  |  
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		| Glenski 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:12 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Even in Tokyo, there are cheaper apartments.  Many people (Japanese and foreigners alike) live 45-80 minutes commuting time from their jobs. It may be a pain, but it can save you money.  Lots of eikaiwas save money by renting places in cheaper neighborhoods, too. 
 I'd like to know the answer to Apsara's questions, too, before commenting further.
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		| mushroomyakuza 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:57 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| To answer your questions, i need a double (yes, 2 bedroom) because I'll be living with my girlfriend. Now I know that doesn't necessarily mean I need 2 bedrooms, but I DO need double occupancy, allowing for two people to live in one apartment, and that as a rule, means 2 bedrooms. 
 Plus, I don't know where I'm going to be placed to work - Shane say they won't know until about ten days before I go out...crazy I know. But what can i do? I could try and get an apartment now but chances are it'd be miles from where I'll be working.
 
 Any advice Glenski and Aspara?
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		| ShioriEigoKyoushi 
 
 
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		| Pitarou 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:12 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | mushroomyakuza wrote: |  
	  | Plus, I don't know where I'm going to be placed to work - Shane say they won't know until about ten days before I go out...crazy I know. But what can i do? I could try and get an apartment now but chances are it'd be miles from where I'll be working. |  
 There might be a way to reduce the uncertainty.  Ask Shane whether any of their vacancies are in districts where nobody has asked to be placed.  If so, ask to be put there, and you have every chance of getting it.  Then you can ask for details about where their schools and accommodation are in that district.
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		| Glenski 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| mushroom, I'm with Shiori here.  You and your gf can expect to live in a place with just one bedroom. I know of married couples who do!  If you have indicated a strong preference for 2, that's your prerogative, but be prepared to pay dearly for it. Apartments here are cramped no matter what, but people learn to live on less and in tinier quarters.
 
 Shane is typical in not giving you an idea where you will be until last moment. Can't avoid that.
 
 Best advice is to tell Shane that 110,000 is far too much or that you'll be satisfied with a 1BR place.  Pitarou has some good advice, too.
 
 Coming to Japan means a big change in lifestyle for many, including adapting to smaller housing (with lower ceilings and smaller appliances) plus learning to have a lot more patience in everything.
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		| Apsara 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:22 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | mushroomyakuza wrote: |  
	  | To answer your questions, i need a double (yes, 2 bedroom) because I'll be living with my girlfriend. Now I know that doesn't necessarily mean I need 2 bedrooms, but I DO need double occupancy, allowing for two people to live in one apartment, and that as a rule, means 2 bedrooms. 
 
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 No, double occupancy doesn't usually mean two bedrooms in Japan. My husband and I are now in our second one bedroom apartment- the first was a 30 sq m 1DK, but after 4 years there we have now moved into a palatial 50 sq m 1LDK
  Usually (in Tokyo at least) the minimum for double occupancy is a 1DK, i.e. around 30 sq m- 1Ks (less than 22 sq m or so) tend not to be available for double occupancy. 
 To be honest, less than 30 sq m is probably a bit cosy for two people who are not used to it, we literally had no spare space and were stepping over each other all the time, but that's reality for a lot of people in big cities here. 110,000 split between two people in Tokyo is close to average for either a newer 1DK in a very convenient location, or a 2K/1LDK further away from the station/further out of the centre, but anywhere more than an hour out of Tokyo and you are being ripped off with that rent.
 
 Shiori has some very good advice above.
 
 The cost of a very similar 1LDK apartment can vary hugely with the region and also within regions- absolutely no hint where you might end up? You can't say Kanto, Kansai, Kyushu, Hokkaido? I can't imagine Shane charges the same for a 2 bedroom apartment nationwide, and the 110,000 is not cheap, so perhaps Kanto or a bigger city in Kansai?
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		| Imseriouslylost 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:22 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | mushroomyakuza wrote: |  
	  | To answer your questions, i need a double (yes, 2 bedroom) because I'll be living with my girlfriend. Now I know that doesn't necessarily mean I need 2 bedrooms, but I DO need double occupancy, allowing for two people to live in one apartment, and that as a rule, means 2 bedrooms. |  
 My friends live in Tokyo and they have a two storey duplex to themselves. Husband and wife. He is a manager for an Eikaiwa chain and she teaches part time. They have a car too. I haven't asked them any personal questions about how much they're able to save but I remember I was extremely impressed with their duplex as I haven't seen anyone here in Korea with such a big place.
 
 It was in a suburb but it only took me 30 minutes to get from their doorstep to the subway station to Akihabara.
 
 I know they've been there for several years and paid quite a lot for that place, however if they did it then it must be possible for anybody.
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		| Apsara 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:34 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| You said he's a manager, right? So he is definitely being paid more than mushroomyakuza will be, and will therefore be able to afford better accommodation. 30 minutes out of Akihabara could put them well into Chiba or Saitama, which are usually cheaper than Tokyo. In any case it's unlikely that a recent arrival will be able to afford a duplex and a car unless they are arriving with a lot of savings, so it's not something anyone can do. |  |  
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		| mushroomyakuza 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:16 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Guys, thanks for the replies, but now I have more questions - please clarify the 1LDK 2K 3BR nonsense - I need to know what each letter stands for. 
 I assume K is kictchen, BR is bedroom, D is dining room(?) and L is living room?
 
 I'm not sure so please clarify.
 
 Aspara, I will definitely be in Tokyo, but I don't know where in Tokyo. At the moment, I have asked to be placed as "central as possible" but think maybe this was a mistake, as it will probably lead to further expense. Ideally, I'd like to be somewhere relatively quiet and nice, and relaxed in the evening, but no further from, say, Akihibara, than 30 minutes. Anyone have any suggestions? Would be really great to tell Shane a specific area if possible.
 
 Then there's what kind of place to request. Okay, I'm just going to confess my uselessness right now. Basically, here is what I would like: a kitchen, preferably not in the middle of a corridor, but hey, that's unlikely. I'd REALLY REALLY REALLY NOT like to be sleeping on top of a cupboard, and I want to have an actual room with a bed in, not some claustrophobic cubbyhole, if at all possible. A small living/sitting area would is also needed, a place where I can put a sofa (small) and TV, along with my PS3. And finally a bathroom that has a shower and toilet. These are necessities. Everything else is an extra, but the most important thing for me is to an actual bed area, not just in a cupboard/thing.
 
 If you guys could please help me with the correct acronyms for this (1LK perhaps) I'd be very grateful. Again, I cannot stress enough how important the bed space is, so whichever acronym that is, make that your top priority.
 
 Now, some of you have said that you don't need a double apartment to house 2 people, but, here is what my contact at Saxoncourt/Shane has told me:
 
 
 
 
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	  | Double apartments have the extra room and the rent is up to JPY110,000 per month. If you rent a single apartment the landlord would expect you to be the only occupant. Having partners stay for short periods is ok but not permanently. If your girlfriend is joining you for most or all of the year then you should have a double. |  
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		| ShioriEigoKyoushi 
 
 
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		| Glenski 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | mushroomyakuza wrote: |  
	  | Guys, thanks for the replies, but now I have more questions - please clarify the 1LDK 2K 3BR nonsense - I need to know what each letter stands for. |  
 1) Stop calling such terms "nonsense".  What gives you the right to say that? You're going to have a tough life here if you start thinking in such ways.  Adapt.  Learn. Be polite.
 
 2) Go to these links.  A simple internet search would have provided the info.
 http://jafnet.co.jp/manual/chintai/migigawa/apart.htm
 http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2207.html
 http://www.jobmonkey.com/teaching/asia/html/long_stay.html
 
 
 
 
Yup.  Pretty much the way it is anywhere in the world.  More central in a big city, more expensive. 
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	  | At the moment, I have asked to be placed as "central as possible" but think maybe this was a mistake, as it will probably lead to further expense. |  
 
 
This does not usually equate to any place central in Tokyo, I believe. 
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	  | Ideally, I'd like to be somewhere relatively quiet and nice, and relaxed in the evening |  
 
 
Why?  Do you plan to go there that much and in such a hurry? 
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	  | , but no further from, say, Akihibara, than 30 minutes. |  
 
 
Get used to cramped quarters.  It's the Japanese life.  Don't expect a bed, either.  Tatami floors and futons are very common (and have their advantages over beds). 
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	  | I'd REALLY REALLY REALLY NOT like to be sleeping on top of a cupboard, and I want to have an actual room with a bed in, not some claustrophobic cubbyhole, if at all possible. |  
 
 
That's precisely about all the space you'll have, too. 
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	  | A small living/sitting area would is also needed, a place where I can put a sofa (small) and TV, along with my PS3. |  
 
 
Shower/tub and toilet are usually in 2 separate rooms.  The washing machine may even be in the shower room. 
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	  | And finally a bathroom that has a shower and toilet. |  
 
 
Somehow I get the impression you are thinking of a capsule hotel, not an apartment. 
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	  | These are necessities. Everything else is an extra, but the most important thing for me is to an actual bed area, not just in a cupboard/thing. |  
 
 
Ok, so Shane has no guts to get a better place than an apartment whose manager does not allow foreigners to live with each other.  Do you really want to work for such an employer?  If the answer is yes, and you don't want this living situation,negotiate to find a place on your own (or ask them for different arrangements), because it sounds like Shane is just one of those outfits that bullies its teachers, especially when they aren't here. 
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	  | Now, some of you have said that you don't need a double apartment to house 2 people, but, here is what my contact at Saxoncourt/Shane has told me: 
 
 
 
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	  | Double apartments have the extra room and the rent is up to JPY110,000 per month. If you rent a single apartment the landlord would expect you to be the only occupant. Having partners stay for short periods is ok but not permanently. If your girlfriend is joining you for most or all of the year then you should have a double. |  |  
 Don't believe everything Shane tells you.  Many Japanese live in "rabbit hutches" together, so why shouldn't foreigners?
 
 Here are some photos to give you a heads up on what to expect.
 http://www.globalcompassion.com/home.htm
 http://www.greggman.com/japan/apts/tokyo%20apts.htm
 http://vocaro.com/trevor/japan/home/index.html
 http://ekhardt.com/tokyo/myapartment/Iapartment.html
 http://www.skygawker.com/me/apartment-japan.html
 
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