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louguy231
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 Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:06 pm Post subject: New and open to new experiences ie teaching english abroad |
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I will be graduating with an MA in Security Studies ie terrorism/ national and international security. I am wanting to teach english and travel within Asia but am open to new areas as well. Asia is the last continent that I have not been on and so it would be great to work and travel there. I do not have teaching experience or a TEFL cert. Before I get a TEFL cert, I wanted to ask if the little 40 hr bare minimun certification will do for my purposes. It would be nice to make some decent money ie 2 to 6 thousand a month (US) but if i make less and feel that I am making a difference then i can deal with making 1000(US) including lodging and med etc. I do not want to have a bad experience with signing a contract and becoming a slave in a foreign country. I do not want to have employers reneg on me while abroad and so I want someone reputable. If you have an agency or know someone let me know. I do not have a preference in country but I will be getting out of college in december so the spring of next year would be great to start a new job. Let me know if my expecations are too high or if what I want is not attainable so I can look elsewhere.
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santi84
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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$6000 US with an unrelated degree, no experience, and a 40 hour certificate (below-minimum, minimum is 100 hours with 6 hours supervised practice), sign me up   
I would recommend you sign up on the Korea board (separate from this one) as that seems to be the most common place for someone without qualifications to make decent money (I don't know how much exactly, sorry). China could be another option. With your background, I suggest concentrating on Asia. |
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louguy231
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Well the 6k figure came from looking at some UAE posts. And if I was going to work there I would expect to be compensated for the risk. Lets face it as well, you are away from your home country and in a strange place. I dont know where u r but in the US teachers average in public schools make anywhere from 30k to 60k in major cities. So if I am going to be in Beijing or hong kong I expect to make some decent money.
I posted this to get some info about schools and what to expect. If I can't make enuf to live on and save some why do it. I can stay where I am at and work and then travel on my own dime. |
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santi84
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Well the 6k figure came from looking at some UAE posts. And if I was going to work there I would expect to be compensated for the risk. Lets face it as well, you are away from your home country and in a strange place. I dont know where u r but in the US teachers average in public schools make anywhere from 30k to 60k in major cities. So if I am going to be in Beijing or hong kong I expect to make some decent money.
I posted this to get some info about schools and what to expect. If I can't make enuf to live on and save some why do it. I can stay where I am at and work and then travel on my own dime. |
UAE and risk? I felt safer on the streets of Cairo, Egypt than the streets of Vancouver, BC, Canada (as a single white female!). Anyone making $6000US per month in the UAE should have a bare minimum MA in TESOL along with lots of teaching experience. I suspect you are looking at some offers from HCT in UAE? Yes, those salaries can exist, but that money is reserved for those with qualifications (and lots of them).
I agree that in the US (and Canada too), certified US public school teachers can make up to 60k in major cities, but you are not a certified public school teacher, which means the lucrative overseas jobs (international schools) are not an option for you. There is a difference between a school (language, public) that is located internationally and an actual "international school".
You could get work in Beijing or Hong Kong, see the China forum for more details. I don't know the salary market in China. |
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louguy231
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| do u work in china or have u worked in china or korea? U seem to be telling me to go there and so do u have personal experience? U also say that u do not know the salaries there and so u r talking out of ur hat. I came here for honest and up front information. Please if you do not have a solution to what I am asking and so real hard facts. Please stop posting to me. |
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santi84
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| do u work in china or have u worked in china or korea? U seem to be telling me to go there and so do u have personal experience? U also say that u do not know the salaries there and so u r talking out of ur hat. I came here for honest and up front information. Please if you do not have a solution to what I am asking and so real hard facts. Please stop posting to me. |
Don't worry, I have no interest in offering anything more to you. |
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mozzar
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From reading the job boards you should have an idea of the wages in each region. When you saw the salaries offered in the Middle East, did you forget to look at the requirements for the position?
Asia is known as the place for new teachers to go in order to earn the most money, but this isn't the career for someone who wants a decent wage from the start. There are so many English speakers wanting to teach abroad for the experience that supply is high so the wages don't have to be. |
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santi84
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louguy231
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Mozzar thank you for your response. That was what I was looking for. I am totally new to this field and so I want to know what is out there from people who have lived it. I know entry level jobs don't pay much, its the same in the US. I just want to make sure that I can live on and put a litlle away for going abroad for a job. After all it can be troublesome to go abroad and work. I have heard many horror stories of people having really bad experiences travelling or working for NGO's in foreign lands and so if I decide to do this I want it to be a good beneficial experience.
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louguy231
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| OK Sant84, I just thought u came down on me pretty hard for my first post. I have no clue what wages or salaries are supposed to be teaching english. I heard those numbers from others. Give a newbie a break. thanks for the links. |
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Glenski
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UAE is about the only place you can make that much. Lower your sights and shoot for the cultural experience. That seems to be what you are pursuing related to your degree, isn't it?
In Japan, FWIW, expect to make roughly US$2000/month and save less than half that, depending on your frugality. |
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louguy231
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| thats exactly what i am looking for. I would like to make enough that I can sustain myself and continue to travel within asia. I honestly dont know what the costs there really are and so i was unsure of what the pay should be. I saw that the UAE is offering that much and didnt know how much other areas pay. Can you live and save on 1000 US a month in China? Do u need to be TEFL cert or is being a native speaker enough with a college degree? If i need to get certified can that be done in China? |
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runthegauntlet
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Well the 6k figure came from looking at some UAE posts. And if I was going to work there I would expect to be compensated for the risk. Lets face it as well, you are away from your home country and in a strange place. I dont know where u r but in the US teachers average in public schools make anywhere from 30k to 60k in major cities. So if I am going to be in Beijing or hong kong I expect to make some decent money.
I posted this to get some info about schools and what to expect. If I can't make enuf to live on and save some why do it. I can stay where I am at and work and then travel on my own dime. |
You're not a qualified teacher so you wouldn't make what qualified teachers can make. And I'm not sure why you think you should be paid for 'the risk' or because you're in a 'strange place'. You CHOSE the job!
You can certainly make enough to live off of and save a bundle (I'm in Korea doing just that), but you seem to have an unrealistic sense of entitlement in regards to teaching English abroad with no qualifications. Look at it as an adventure, do your homework, hope for the best, and prepare for the worst. |
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denise
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| louguy231 wrote: |
Well the 6k figure came from looking at some UAE posts. And if I was going to work there I would expect to be compensated for the risk. Lets face it as well, you are away from your home country and in a strange place. I dont know where u r but in the US teachers average in public schools make anywhere from 30k to 60k in major cities. So if I am going to be in Beijing or hong kong I expect to make some decent money.
I posted this to get some info about schools and what to expect. If I can't make enuf to live on and save some why do it. I can stay where I am at and work and then travel on my own dime. |
You're not a qualified teacher so you wouldn't make what qualified teachers can make. And I'm not sure why you think you should be paid for 'the risk' or because you're in a 'strange place'. You CHOSE the job!
You can certainly make enough to live off of and save a bundle (I'm in Korea doing just that), but you seem to have an unrealistic sense of entitlement in regards to teaching English abroad with no qualifications. Look at it as an adventure, do your homework, hope for the best, and prepare for the worst. |
Well said--and the UAE isn't exactly risky! I suppose there's a risk of running up a major credit card debt in all of their malls, though.
There are some places, though, that give a sort of risk compensation--Iraq comes to mind... Now there's a cultural experience for you.
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naturegirl321
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I'd say many salaries hover around 700 to 1500 a month in Asia, Europe and Latin America.
Some places in Asia, you can make more, like �Korea or Japan. Ther'es usually a pay off, longer hours, smaller housing, less vacations, etc
The Middle East is good, but you usually need experience and quals. Maybe 2 to 6K would be possible there. |
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) that you do not mean to be rude, and offer the following posts on current Beijing and Hong Kong salaries for people without teaching qualifications and the basic visa requirements.
