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Is teaching snobs worth it?
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Master Shake



Joined: 03 Nov 2006
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Location: Colorado, USA

PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:26 pm    Post subject: Is teaching snobs worth it? Reply with quote

They don't do their homework and then complain they aren't making progress.

They force me to feign an interest in their job and ask them endless questions. "Go on, ask me another question about myself," an executive said to me at a recent 1-to-1 lesson.

They constantly change their mind about what they want from the lessons: less grammar, more grammar (but only as homework), more speaking (always), more vocabular related to my work, my hobbies, the cruise I plan to take this weekend, etc. etc. etc.

But at the end of the day, they pay. Cool Quite a bit more than your self-improvement-seeking, recent-uni-grad who is determined to master every facet of every tense and sound like a native if it kills her.

Which type do you prefer to teach? Does the extra money make it worth it? Do you give discounts to loyal and motivated students or does everyone have to pay the same to play?
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scottie1113



Joined: 25 Oct 2004
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Location: Gdansk

PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on whether you're doing it to make a lot of money, or because you enjoy it. You know my views on the matter, as well as my rates.
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lundjstuart



Joined: 01 Jul 2008
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Location: Warsaw, Poland

PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do this: dedicate the first 15mins of the lesson for them to speak about themselves, after that, push the lesson topic on them and start asking them a few questions that you need them to answer. After a few lessons, they will get the hint that you dont want to talk about them 100% of the time! It works!
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dynow



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i do the same. let them blab for the first part of the lesson, and then try and transition.

and yes, it's worth the money. i typically have more problems with the young adults than the older, wealthier ones.
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sparks



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you complaining about? A class where you are well-paid to sit and listen to someone talk, offering some corrections along the way and perhaps some new vocab/grammar on a particular topic? I teach mostly kids but have a few adult 1-1s and the adults are a pleasure to teach after dealing with 6-11 year olds. I'd only teach 1-1s if they were more regular and I could have class throughout the day.
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparks wrote:
What are you complaining about? A class where you are well-paid to sit and listen to someone talk, offering some corrections along the way and perhaps some new vocab/grammar on a particular topic?


It may not be that difficult and I've certainly had worse jobs, but it can be boring to listen to someone drone on about themselves for ages.

What's worse is the unrealistic expectations people often have that talking for 90 minutes (with occasional error correction & vocab) will significantly improve their English in a short amount of time.
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dynow



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's worse is the unrealistic expectations people often have that talking for 90 minutes (with occasional error correction & vocab) will significantly improve their English in a short amount of time.


to boot, when you teach them new words/constructions, they don't write it down and at the end of the lesson, the only thing they get out of the lesson is "i spoke in English for 90 minutes" with nothing to study from when you leave.

I guess they figure their money should "buy" them English, but people of all income levels tend to think in this way. simply come to class and the English should flow into their brain by osmosis or something.....because they are paying to be there.
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simon_porter00



Joined: 09 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got to be careful what I say as I'm easy traceable through the interweb, so:

There's no such thing as a Polish student snob, simply a financially advantaged and confident student who likes to discuss his/her interests in the attempt to further his/her English skills and ability.

Therefore in response to the initial OP - yes, always, absolutely and always.

There, that should help the mortgage get paid faster....
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Mike_2007



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They also own companies, work for large companies, and have lots of friends who own companies. Although teaching this kind of learner can be a pain (cancelled lessons, long holidays, away on business, forgotten lesson times, etc.) they often put you in touch in with people from whom you can get on-contract work teaching their employees with multiple classes in one location.
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Insubordination



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it's worth it. Just find out what you have in common. If they're with companies and you 'have' to teach them something, then do so. Otherwise, let them have the kind of lesson they want. They're paying.
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lundjstuart



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike_2007 wrote:
They also own companies, work for large companies, and have lots of friends who own companies.


I met one actor about 2.5 years back and I've taught about 30 actors/actresses/singers since the first one! I still teach all of them!
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hrvatski



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are conversation whores.
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Master Shake



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simon_porter00 wrote:
Got to be careful what I say as I'm easy traceable through the interweb, so:

There's no such thing as a Polish student snob, simply a financially advantaged and confident student who likes to discuss his/her interests in the attempt to further his/her English skills and ability.

Therefore in response to the initial OP - yes, always, absolutely and always.

There, that should help the mortgage get paid faster....


Wow, SP. I missed this little gem of money grubbery. Surprised

What if he/she wanted to trash talk your football team or haircut for 100zl/hour?

Would you pop the pimples on his/her back if he/she paid you 20zl a head? Confused
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dynow



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

we all kiss butt at work. every job, full of kissing butt.

customer is always right, your boss gets the last word, etc., so why not make more money doing the same thing.

Quote:
We are conversation whores.


often times, yes. i'd take a personality students were drawn to over qualifications any day.
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wojbrian



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a rough one.

I think it depends on how bad you need the money. No one likes to sell their soul but a business is a business and the customer is always right.
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