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How can I make (net) the most money in Saudi Arabia?
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My hourly rate wasn't cheap and a class of 5 would triple the hourly pay for me.


This is the point I made at the start of this thread. Those people who claim to be earning sums of 500SR+ per hour must be teaching small groups of students, not individuals. In that case, I find it quite plausible that they might be earning upwards of 500SR an hour. I would, however, doubt that it could be a reliable full-time earner, partly for the reasons CMP lists.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely... that kind of money was possible in the pre-exams rush, but for the rest of the year, tutoring tended to be sporadic and probably covered my basic food and taxi costs if I was lucky. But, I was also teaching at the university local hire. (as I said, my rent had been paid for the year by the exam period) In Egypt, I think I could have easily supported myself with lessons, and the income from the local hire contract would have been saved or used for traveling. But, a newbie can't waltz in and do that either... you need 2-3 years to get it organized.

You need to set strict rules and follow them. They have to pay before the lesson. Anyone who didn't call well before the lessons to cancel had to pay for both before the next lesson started. You lose some students this way, but you lose less money over time.

I rarely tutored in the Gulf as I felt that my income was sufficient and I preferred to relax in my spare time. Every once in awhile someone would want some test prep before they took the TOEFL...

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Mark100



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cmp45 wrote:
Regards to tutoring in KSA...perhaps Trapezius's story may not be so far off the mark after all... Embarassed

Muhammad Al-Saadawi, an English teacher from Jordan, said that the trend to seek special private coaching is common in most Arab countries.

�The students need special coaching shortly before exams because many of them didn�t get sufficient learning,� Saadawi told Arab News yesterday. Abdul Kareem Abusurae, a math teacher from Jordan, like several other teachers came to the Kingdom on a labor visa as a carpenter because he did not want to be a regular schoolteacher, which pays a low salary.

�I teach students in various districts in Jeddah,� he said. �Wealthy parents pay three to 10 times more than the ordinary people.� He added that he uses a tutor broker to get wealthy clients.


http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section=0&article=110869&d=14&m=6&y=2008&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom



True story....heard this from a few different Egyptian and Jordanian teachers of English in KSA who made more from privates than from their full time job.

A month or so before exam time they would run classes at 1000riyals a pop where they basically prepped them for the exams.

They made my 10k a month salary look insignifcant.
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Imdramayu



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:07 am    Post subject: Going rate for private IELTS-prep lessons in KSA Reply with quote

What is the going rate for private one-on-one IELTS-prep lessons in KSA? Cleopetra mentioned a range of SR150-SR250. Is that common in all 3 major urban centres (Jeddha, Riyadh, and Dammam)?

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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should get from 150 an hour but get payment in advance and make it clear what your policy is on no-shows. Saudi students often have a habit of not turning up when they should.

If I were doing this I would get them to agree to a timetable in advance, pay the money in advance and get then to agree that a no-show means they still pay for that hour.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SR. 150/hour is appropriate... for Y2K. It is 2010 now, and the going rate these days is SR. 200/hour to SR. 250/hour. The best thing is to quote 250 and then bring it down to 225 or 200 if necessary. Under no circusmtances should you accept 150, because if your fame spreads and you get more students, it would be difficult to charge others 200 or 250, as it would probably be known that you charge 150 from someone else.

It goes without saying, here, that we are talking about upper class students here, i.e., their parents are most probably business owners or in high positions earning several tens of thousands a month.

And yes, it is the same in all 3 major urban centres.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

150 is the lowest acceptable I would say.
That is the rate we get for teaching overtime hours so it would make sense that privates should pay more.
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15yearsinQ8



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know a retired kuwaiti teacher who converted the family diwaniya into a classroom after her husnad died and is raking in big bucks offering lessons after school - her prices double the week before an exam - she has about 10 desks for semi-private and private lessons, white board, lots of visaul aids

expat teachers have tried to do this but it really means a 2 bedroom or more apartment - some concentrate only on TOEFL or just kids

it's possible, but expats need to
network, network, network
get another - strictly business - cell phone
know the arabic school curic - most major bookshops have the answers to all govt school textbooks available freely above the counter
know the little newspapers to advertise in
advertise as TEST PREP, and SHORT COURSES

it's possible but learning how to ferment grape juice is truly easier if you're in it for the money
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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expat teachers have tried to do this but it really means a 2 bedroom or more apartment


Also, if they are not very discreet about their extracurricular activities, they run the risk of being found out by their employers, the consequences of which could be serious. As I said on the other thread, most of the time employers tend to turn a blind eye to teachers doing private lessons with outside students, but it's the type of thing which could very easily be used against you should anyone choose to do so.

Teaching one or two students in their homes is one thing. Making a whole 'cottage industry' out of it is another. Oh, and advertising in the local newspapers is a seriously bad idea which could cost you your job.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^

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know the arabic school curic - most major bookshops have the answers to all govt school textbooks available freely above the counter


That's only if you plan on tutoring local students attending local schools.

In my decades in Saudi, both as a student, and as a college lecturer, I have seen people making bank from 2 completely different types of tutoring:

1) Arab expats (usually Egyptian, Sudanese, or Jordanian) teaching groups of Saudi students attending Saudi schools. They charge a set fee per month, usually around SR. 500. So say one group has 10 students in it. And they might teach 3 to 4 groups per day. That brings in SR. 15,000 to SR. 20,000 per month. Before exams, they can make even more; I have known of people making the stated amounts in as little as a day to a few days! Pakistani and Indian teachers do this as well, but of course, for students of their respective countries attending the Pakistani or Indian schools, or even some of the cheaper international schools. They usually start around 3 or 4 pm, and finish late at night, around 10 or 11 pm. Some of them have normal full time jobs as well, usually as a teacher in a school! Which means they start at 7 or 8 am, finish work at 2 or 3 pm, and are out of the house again in an hour or two. Some do the tutoring as a full time job. And yes, a lot of them do it in their apartment, or rent another small one!

2) The other type is people who do one-on-one tutoring, or occasionally 2 students at a time (siblings/friends). Such people charge hourly rates (usually SR. 200), and needless to say, their students come from affluent families and attend expensive Saudi private schools, international schools, or British/American/French schools. They don't have to work as hard as Type 1, nor as long. Four 1-hour sessions a day 5 days a week makes SR. 16,000 a month! And again, before exams they might have double the demand. Many teachers do this to supplement their salaries. Just 5 hours a week brings in an additional SR. 4,000 a month (doubling or tripling in the month just before exams), a tidy sum for paying off debts or making payments on a house/horse/car/etc. This type of tutoring is usually done by going to the houses of the students.
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Umm 'Abdil-Wahhaab



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I notice that most of the tutoring is done after work/school hours... is there any market for tutoring university students during daytime hours, perhaps when they arent in class?
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ I really don't know, but when Saudi university students are not in class, they are either sleeping, playing video games, doing drugs, or hanging out with friends at malls, cafes, and the beach.

The ones who are actually studying are the ones who wouldn't need the help in the first place. And the one who do need the help don't care until the day before tests/exams.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forget about making 500 SR an hour. Get real.
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Citizenkane



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I notice that most of the tutoring is done after work/school hours... is there any market for tutoring university students during daytime hours, perhaps when they arent in class


Not likely. Saudis are night owls and only do things in the morning or afternoon when they have no choice. In fact one of problems with tutoring which has not so far been mentioned is the late schedule - it's quite normal for students to want lessons at 9 in the evening or even later!
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Forget about making 500 SR an hour. Get real.

I do believe that that refers to 500 a month. Check out #1 in Trap's post.

I know that in Egypt in the month before entrance English exams at the university, I would hold classes for up to 5 students... and paid my full years rent in that month. My hourly pay would come out to about 3-4 times the normal hourly rate.

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