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G Cthulhu
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| I Oughta Know wrote: |
I think the answer to your situation is a bit more complicated than those offered here. Your citizenship is Japanese? Then, under Japanese law, you must renounce your (British?) citizenship prior to your 21st birthday. If not, you run the risk of the Japanese government cancelling your Japanese citizenship....this is a very complex issue!
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Until someone asks them to renounce the second citizenship they're under no obligation to do so. *That's* how and why you run into Japanese dual nationals every so often: they've figured out that they can simply ignore the Japanese government and it never catches up with them. |
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Mr_Monkey
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Location: Kyuuuuuushuuuuuuu
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| G Cthulhu wrote: |
| Until someone asks them to renounce the second citizenship they're under no obligation to do so. *That's* how and why you run into Japanese dual nationals every so often: they've figured out that they can simply ignore the Japanese government and it never catches up with them. |
That's what the very nice man said when I asked him about my childrens' dual nationality at their passport interview, in as many words. |
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womblingfree
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| I didn't think dual nationality was possible for Japanese after the age of 18 or 21? You have to decide, all or nothing. |
As I wrote earlier, before one reaches their 22nd birthday, they are supposed to choose, yes, but there are many who don't do it and keep this dual nationality in secret. The government doesn't take aggressive action to "catch" them. |
But surely the dual nationality isn't valid whether they're caught or not? It's not recognised in Japan and so shouldn't have any benefit in terms of residency or employment? |
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Glenski
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Unless you are caught, you keep it, as others have pointed out. So, unless you are caught and told to change, it remains valid.
Benefits are obvious. While one is in Japan, one can claim to be Japanese and not need a work visa, among other things.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/rc20090111a3.html
"...thousands of Japanese hide another identity..." |
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Speed
Joined: 04 Jul 2003
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Location: Shikoku Land
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 2:16 pm Post subject: Obiwan |
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Thanks very much guys, this is encouraging to hear.
Speed, did you get those jobs on a japanese passport? Because if so that's very good news. |
Sorry, Rikai. I didn't realize you asked me a question back on this thread.
I got my jobs in Japan on an American passport. To get on JET, I switched to US citizenship (I used to have Japanese citizenship), since JET does not take Japanese nationals.
Many eikawas do hire J-nationals, but they may have different contracts written up for them relative to those who hold citizenship from English speaking countries. This is the situation at the eikawa I'm currently work at.
I've never had trouble being able to land jobs as an ALT or working in an eikawa due to my half-Japanese, half-caucasian appearance though.
Good luck with your job search and May the Force Be with You. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:59 pm Post subject: Re: Obiwan |
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| Speed wrote: |
| Many eikawas do hire J-nationals, but they may have different contracts written up for them relative to those who hold citizenship from English speaking countries. This is the situation at the eikawa I'm currently work at. |
How different are such contracts? Equal job deserves equal treatment by law.
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Speed
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Location: Shikoku Land
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:30 am Post subject: Re: Obiwan |
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| Speed wrote: |
| Many eikawas do hire J-nationals, but they may have different contracts written up for them relative to those who hold citizenship from English speaking countries. This is the situation at the eikawa I'm currently work at. |
How different are such contracts? Equal job deserves equal treatment by law.
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The Japanese nationals who teach English at my company are only hired on with part-time contracts. The non-Japanese English speakers have the option of either teaching on full or part-time contracts. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Obiwan |
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| Speed wrote: |
| The Japanese nationals who teach English at my company are only hired on with part-time contracts. The non-Japanese English speakers have the option of either teaching on full or part-time contracts. |
And, assuming credentials and responsibilities are the same for PT teachers, can we assume that their contracts are identical? |
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Speed
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| They seem to be. But I've never examined this in depth, so I can't say for certain. |
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rikai
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Thanks very much Speed, this is useful info.
I was considering giving up my Japanese nationality to do JET too, but I decided against it in the end. This decision was based on the assumption that it would be relatively easy to get EFL work on my JPassport...
Anyway, I'll press on with my applications and I'll post here if I find out anything interesting. I'm particularly interested to find out about the major Eikawa's policies with regards to native workers. |
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Speed
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| Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 4:32 pm Post subject: The Search |
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| Good luck on your job hunt, Rikai and let us know how you get on. |
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starteacher
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Go for it.
Some Half Japanese make a great teachers. Maybe it is because they put in a lot more effort then some who rely on their Caucasian appearance.
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rikai
Joined: 06 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:48 am Post subject: change of plan |
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Thank you all for your encouragement and answering my questions.
However, I've changed my mind. It seems that all the entry level teaching jobs are horribly exploitative and there are dozens of applicants for every position - applicants who I certainly can't match in experience or liveliness.
I thought that the chatter on these boards was overly negative. I thought "it can't be that bad", but it really is. I was at one interview the other day for a 6-day-a-week job working 2-9pm (sometimes 11am-9pm!) with no paid holidays and a basic salary of 220,000Y. I told them where to stick it (politely) but the other 7 candidates were dead keen. It's mad out there.
I'm here to learn Japanese, not work myself to death. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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Location: Tokyo, Japan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: change of plan |
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I thought that the chatter on these boards was overly negative. I thought "it can't be that bad", but it really is. I was at one interview the other day for a 6-day-a-week job working 2-9pm (sometimes 11am-9pm!) with no paid holidays and a basic salary of 220,000Y. I told them where to stick it (politely) but the other 7 candidates were dead keen. It's mad out there.
I'm here to learn Japanese, not work myself to death. |
Wow, those are some nasty conditions. Makes me realise how lucky I was to arrive in Japan in the 90s when most newbie English teachers were getting paid close to 300,000 yen. Things have really gone downhill. |
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