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ShioriEigoKyoushi
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Glenski
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ShioriEigoKyoushi
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mhard1
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haha nice long rant there. 
Some questions are really specific and not really discussion topics...such as specific fees for some specific union. Where as a question about Interac or some other popular topic would generally garner many more opinions. Just a thought.
On that note...I have no clue about that Nambu Union so I will go back to my cave. |
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cariocas27
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I think it depends on where in Japan you're located.
I'm part of the General Union because I live in the Kansai area. I think its just a matter of location in regards to which union you join since I think there's like 4 of them that cover different parts of Japan.
In regards to whether or not you join both is related to whether or not your workplace already has a branch union. If you have a branch union representing your workplace then you contact them because I think the union dues are set at a certain fee.
If your workplace doesn't have a union branch, then you join as an individual where you pay 6k for the year plus 2k a month. It's at the bottom of the following link. http://nambufwc.org/info/NUGW_Tokyo_Nambu_membership_application_form_2009.pdf
Mind you I'm deducing this according to how membership dues work here because membership dues differ according to your income.
Roughly I think this explains why they ask you about your employment details because they want you to go through a branch representative if your workplace has one. They've probably already played with the numbers so pay a set membership due if your workplace already has a branch.
Hope this helps. |
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ShioriEigoKyoushi
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cariocas27
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Basically I would say that if something is fishy and you have to confront your employer about it I would ask the Union first for their opinion and continue from there.
The small print is a bit over the top I agree but you have to remember that your rights are less likely to be trampled upon as part of a labour union then not because you will be protected under labour union law - this is why almost every public sector worker is automatically enrolled in a union and why some of my teachers are flabbergasted at the amount of abuse that goes on with ALTs when they find out what happens ... because that shit would never fly with them.
I think the writing is the way it is so that you don't make the mistake of trying to negotiate by yourself (aka shooting yourself in the foot) and thus making things harder for negotiations later if they need to go that route.
But if everything seems pretty routine and your employer isn't trying to pull a fast one then there's no need to go to the union. They're there to make sure your employer is playing by the rules (which we all know are not really enforced here unless you kick some dust). |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ShioriEigoKyoushi wrote: |
| Oh for goodness sake. |
I might say the same thing about your rant, Shiori.
You came here for answers, and I pointed out an obvious one. I'm sorry that you didn't like it. I would hope that you wouldn't respond like this most of the time when people offer succinct advice.
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| Maybe we should just wheel that out for all the questions that could be answered by someone else in future. |
You seem to have had a bad day to offer those hypothetical questions for which someone could answer "Ask them!" I'll take the high road and not get upset over how silly some are. I mean, it's pretty obvious that nobody would have any reason to say "Ask them!" about most of the examples.
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| People ask questions here because they can get a different perspective than from the organisations themselves, and because it is anonymous. |
And, as I wrote, I gave you mine. The fact that you found it unsupportive to consult the union about its own policies is your prerogative, but it baffles me.
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| Perhaps it's not your fault; perhaps you're just hacked off from answering the same questions over and over again from newbies recently who don't seem to be able to find the search button. I'm hacked off with seeing so much of that too. I've no idea where the pinned FAQs went - they were useful. Did we ever find out why they vanished? |
There is no "fault" here. The way I see it, you took my answer the wrong way.
I am not "hacked off", neither at you nor at anyone else here. There's no reason to make a personal attack with snide remarks. Yeah, I've posted advice and info here for over a dozen years, and yeah it sometimes gets old, but I think long-timers on this forum recognize how unemotional my responses usually are, a trait that stems from my career background in providing factual information without distortion by my emotions. Some take that the wrong way, but the info is still accurate, thorough, and yes, supportive.
As for the FAQs, I have no idea what the site policy is on restoring them. I suggest (dare I write this?) that you ask the policy makers here. Same situation as your union policy question. |
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ShioriEigoKyoushi
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Glenski
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| ShioriEigoKyoushi wrote: |
Wow, you really hate it when someone else answers a question you don't know the answer to.
That's quite funny.
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| The way I see it, you took my answer the wrong way. |
That must be it. Isn't it odd how often people seem to do that? |
Pretty rarely, if you must know.
Oh, and you're welcome for my immediate and supportive reply! |
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OneJoelFifty
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| Shiori, marry me? |
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