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How hard is it to get a job in Japan teaching?
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guitarhero



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:43 am    Post subject: How hard is it to get a job in Japan teaching? Reply with quote

I have a B.Ed, but no tesol. I'm just wandering how hard it is to get a job and what type a job a teacher with no experience could expect, such as classroom teacher or tutor.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This used to be in the FAQs, but they are gone now.

You have pretty much a generic degree. At least it's not in geology or microbiology, but most entry level jobs don't care.

Entry level means ALT (JET Program or dispatch company) or eikaiwa instructor.

How hard? That's sort of difficult to measure. When and where precisely did you want to work? Sometimes those are factors.

We're in a recession now, and schools are merging or closing, and the birthrate is declining. Couple to that the demise of the largest eikaiwa (NOVA) in Nov. 2007 putting 5000 teachers out of work, and there is a lot of competition out there.

Are you willing to come here with US$4000-5000 in your pocket and look around, or will you stay home and search online? That also makes a huge difference.
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Hoser



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how much of an effect the Nova closure still has if any? Surely anyone who didn't get a new job shortly thereafter (thank you lord) has starved by now Wink If anything I wonder if the Nova closure actually lessened the competition. After all there is no longer a ginormous company which brings over teachers whose qualifcations are that they're breathing and who then quit Nova after getting the easy visa.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, that's 5,000 high turnover positions which are no longer available to people arriving- that had to be a decent percentage of the overall number of eikaiwa jobs available in Japan at the time. If you still have the same numbers of people arriving, the pickings are going to be much slimmer now.

In the late 90s when I first arrived in Japan, anyone could get a job teaching English (with a very few dire exceptions), but that doesn't seem to be the case any more. Something's changed, and I think Nova's collapse had a lot to do with it. Not because the ex-Nova teachers are still looking for jobs, but because most of the jobs they had are now gone.
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Inflames



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hoser wrote:
I wonder how much of an effect the Nova closure still has if any?


Nova's closure not only drove away teachers, it also drove away students.

If someone wants a job and has a visa, it's not too hard to find one. I know of places (ALT places) in Kansai where it's not hard at all to get a job, if one has a visa. If someone is a good teacher who has skills and qualifications, it's not overly hard to get part-time work either. Last year my boss was trying to hire a replacement teacher (we had 5 and one quit). She hadn't been in for a week and resumes and cover letters were piled on her desk when I was in grading exams. I had a look at a few of them (just the ones that were on top). The quality was awful and I could immediately understand why she didn't hire anyone.

I've worked for several business English companies and about every other month I get an e-mail or phone call from one of them asking if I can or if I know anyone who can teach some intensive class on short notice.

One of my friends (who was an ALT for 5 years and worked at Nova for 1 year) is trying to find a job (he has his own eikaiwa, but it's been losing money). I've been trying to help him (by sending him whatever intensive classes and full-time jobs I can find), but he's not really willing to change his schedule unless it's full time; but he also doesn't want to be an ALT again. It's a bit frustrating as jobs are out there, but he's not willing.

As the OP has a B. Ed, he probably has a slight edge over other applicants.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inflames wrote:
If someone wants a job and has a visa, it's not too hard to find one.
But the OP doesn't have a visa.

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I know of places (ALT places) in Kansai where it's not hard at all to get a job, if one has a visa.
and, I know of other places where it is tough to find candidates. So, as I wrote earlier, it depends on a lot of factors, including location.

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If someone is a good teacher who has skills and qualifications, it's not overly hard to get part-time work either.
Perhaps, but they would need a visa first. The OP can't even take on PT work until he has a visa.

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I've worked for several business English companies and about every other month I get an e-mail or phone call from one of them asking if I can or if I know anyone who can teach some intensive class on short notice.
But you have a visa and experience working for them! Plus, a lot (most?) of such places prefer people with some work experience in businesses like their clients. Doesn't sound like the OP has that (best guess).

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One of my friends (who was an ALT for 5 years and worked at Nova for 1 year) is trying to find a job (he has his own eikaiwa, but it's been losing money). I've been trying to help him (by sending him whatever intensive classes and full-time jobs I can find), but he's not really willing to change his schedule unless it's full time; but he also doesn't want to be an ALT again. It's a bit frustrating as jobs are out there, but he's not willing.
Yup, just like I wrote above. Can't be too overly picky these days.

guitarhero,
When and where would you like to work?
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guitarhero



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would prefer to be in a rural setting or a smaller city. Tokyo looks too overwhelming for me. I really like Hokkaido. I want to go where there is snow.

Right now, I am not really sure what I am going to do. I am definitely staying home for the summer to earn money. I would like to leave around September or October. I really don't care where in the world I go... well, maybe I am not ready for a developing country - possibly in the future. I like Japan because I enjoy the culture and understand that there would already be a quality system in place for foreign teachers because of the popularity of the country in the past. I am also looking in to Korea. Because of this I plan on applying for jobs over the Internet rather than going to these countries. I plan on doing some more research and then applying in a month or so. I do have several years doing volunteer work in ESL in addition to my full-term student teaching that I got with my B.Ed.

Thank you for your responses.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guitarhero wrote:
I would prefer to be in a rural setting or a smaller city. Tokyo looks too overwhelming for me. I really like Hokkaido. I want to go where there is snow.
Sounds like JET programme (you missed the 2010 deadline), or you would be a good candidate for any outfit that has a lot of branches because many people prefer the bigger cities.

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I would like to leave around September or October.
That could be a problem, as there aren't that many job openings here during those months. September maybe more than October.

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I like Japan because I enjoy the culture and understand that there would already be a quality system in place for foreign teachers because of the popularity of the country in the past.
"Quality system"??????????
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guitarhero



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan sounds like it has a decent education system, hence, some quality. From the people I have met in real life, Japan sounds like a pretty good place to teach.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guitarhero wrote:
Japan sounds like it has a decent education system, hence, some quality. From the people I have met in real life, Japan sounds like a pretty good place to teach.
Japan's English education system is pretty poor. I've taught in JHS/HS, university, private lessons, and in eikaiwa, so I have a fairly broad scope of experience.

How did you mean "decent" and "quality"?

Japan can't decide whether to put English in its elementary schools or not. It is practically the last of the Asian countries to try.

Japan's English in JHS and HS consists mostly of J teachers providing the grammar instruction in Japanese, and it is usually the rote memory, grammar translation style even today when people have shown how poor that is. Foreign teachers may be solo FT or PT teachers, as well as ALTs from dispatch agencies (most illegal, but the government looks the other way) or from the JET Programme (whose numbers are steadily declining). Foreign teachers are there largely to provide supplementary English courses because they can provide natural-sounding English, but many / most of their courses don't even count for credit (or get lumped with the J teachers' scores in an imbalanced way).

Grades in JHS/HS are on a quota system, which students don't realize. A certain percentage must get the equivalent of As, Bs, Cs, etc. Must get, therefore after scores are tallied, teachers adjust them to fit the quota. Most kids cannot fail and are given "support" lessons or tests to take again and again until they really "pass" the course. 60% is passing.

Motivation in HS plummets because students are forced to "learn" English with the rote memorization/grammar translation method, which is thought to be needed because of the arcane college entrance exam questions.

Once in university, students coast because their grades are not as important as mere graduation. They take English because it is required, and they only look at such courses as credits to get out of the way, not to help them learn for careers. College is for forming relationships with classmates and supervisors who will either be their coworkers in life or who will provide recommendations for jobs. Jobs are largely had because a student graduated from a school with the proper name, not because of grades.

University attendance is bleak. Students can sleep through classes. They are supposed to fail if they attend fewer than 80% of courses (that's fewer than 12 out of 15 per semester), but they have learned that if they ask to do a report or something to make up for this (or for poor overall performance), they can still pass.

TOEIC is used by 60% or more of companies in Japan to hire, promote, or transfer people. However, Japan's scores are the lowest in the world, despite being the country that takes the test most often.

Eikaiwa (conversation schools) are businesses first, and centers of language learning far second. Most adult students go to while away an hour in a social activity with each other, to get out of the house, or to meet a foreigner. Some business people attend thinking that once a week with no homework will actually improve their spoken and listening abilities so that they can raise their TOEIC scores for the promotion or overseas transfers.

I ask again, what do you mean by "decent" and "quality" education?
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
TOEIC is used by 60% or more of companies in Japan to hire, promote, or transfer people. However, Japan's scores are the lowest in the world, despite being the country that takes the test most often.


Glenski,

I was wondering where I could find stats for TOEIC scores on a country-by-country basis. I am working as a JET ALT at a high school that has previously held SELHi status and currently has a special English program which includes many returnee students. These students are required to take the TOEIC during their first and second years. One of my goals for this upcoming year is to better familiarize myself with the various standardized tests that these students take.

Many thanks for your time and insights in your many contributions to various websites.

Regards,
fat_chris
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Once in university, students coast because their grades are not as important as mere graduation. They take English because it is required, and they only look at such courses as credits to get out of the way, not to help them learn for careers. College is for forming relationships with classmates and supervisors who will either be their coworkers in life or who will provide recommendations for jobs. Jobs are largely had because a student graduated from a school with the proper name, not because of grades.

University attendance is bleak. Students can sleep through classes. They are supposed to fail if they attend fewer than 80% of courses (that's fewer than 12 out of 15 per semester), but they have learned that if they ask to do a report or something to make up for this (or for poor overall performance), they can still pass.


Ouch, you just reminded me of why sometimes I dislike my uni students. Sometimes I let sleeping dogs be, other times they wake up pretty quickly as their books hit the floor!
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starteacher



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Students can sleep through classes.

But I also did this back home Embarassed Razz Not so much worlds apart then.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fat_chris wrote:

I was wondering where I could find stats for TOEIC scores on a country-by-country basis.
Look up the ETS homepage. What kind of info did you want, anyway?

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One of my goals for this upcoming year is to better familiarize myself with the various standardized tests that these students take.
Don't forget STEP, IELTS, BULATS, and TOEFL.
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ripslyme



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:

University attendance is bleak. Students can sleep through classes. They are supposed to fail if they attend fewer than 80% of courses (that's fewer than 12 out of 15 per semester), but they have learned that if they ask to do a report or something to make up for this (or for poor overall performance), they can still pass.


In my classes, missing 4 classes a term is a fail. Oh and you can forget about sleeping in my classes. The occasional nodding off I can let slide, but not snoozing throughout an entire class period - that equals an absence. Not to toot my own horn, but attendance and motivation in my classes are high. I've only had to fail one kid this past year for attendance, and haven't (yet) had to employ the sleeping penalty mentioned above. Cool
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