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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LaniB,
Thanks for that more exact figure. I knew I was close with 52,000.

As for single occupancy set in stone, that's a sad state of affairs, especially if people are willing to share a tiny apartment. I think I have heard of a few very rare exceptions to people having to pay double rent, but otherwise AEON seems to want some sort of stranglehold on its employees by stating where they will live.

naujokaitis wrote:
i took a look at the links you posted. wow, the prices are high for private apartments. can i assume this is within tokyo?
Uh, I don't know. I didn't post them for people to look at prices, only to read details about apartment descriptions (2LDK, e.g.) and general things about renting. What prices did you see? Tokyo is expensive, yes, but as seklarwia wrote, just what did you consider expensive?

More importantly, what do you call a "decent price"? Before you answer, consider prices in Tokyo to be similar to those in New York or London.
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naujokaitis



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Location: london, ontario

PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i am not comparing to what i can get here in canada, i understand that it's totally different. maybe it's just being overwhelmed with all the information i have been reading up on the past week. i am looking for ideally a private apartment. i wouldn't at all mind a small 6 tatami studio apartment somewhere out in the suburbs of a city that is not too big but not too small, just average. i don't know what i would be paying for something like that.

also, i don't know if it makes any difference in price or difficulty in finding but i would prefer a japanese style apartment rather than a western style one.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

naujokaitis wrote:
i am looking for ideally a private apartment.
Unless you live in a hostel or guest house, all apartments are private!

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i wouldn't at all mind a small 6 tatami studio apartment somewhere out in the suburbs of a city that is not too big but not too small, just average. i don't know what i would be paying for something like that.
6-tatami is 6-tatami. That's the size. You don't get a 6-tatami in more than one size. If you want something slightly bigger, it will not be a 6-tatami. In fact, that's not the terminology itself that is used. Did you read those links I gave so you can see what 2LDK, 1LDK, etc. mean?

And, again you have not stated what sort of prices you saw that flabbergasted you. Ok, so you aren't trying to compare to Canada. Good, but if you aren't going to tell us what prices were so surprising, what are you willing to pay here?

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also, i don't know if it makes any difference in price or difficulty in finding but i would prefer a japanese style apartment rather than a western style one.
What does this mean? The only real "Japanese apartment" that I can envisage is one that has bedrooms or perhaps a living room with tatami floor, and with a sliding door to the bedroom. Get a place with a tokonoma or tea ceremony room, and you are talking about huge prices. Most apartments (all?) have a genkan that may vary in size and attributes, a tiny fridge and "stove", toilet that is separate from the shower, and not much else that you can truly call traditional Japanese. I would be interested to know what your image is.
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naujokaitis



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I meant by Japanese style apartment to me is something looks like this ...
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/4384333/2/istockphoto_4384333-japanese-style-apartment.jpg

I do admit though that my knowledge of Japan and things like housing styles and so is not extensive. In general something that would make me feel like I'm living in Japan.

The more research I do, the more I come to understand the prices. Some of the housing I saw on one of those sites (I forget which now) they were advertising guestrooms with shared kitchen and that for up to 50,000 yen and apartments from 80,000 if I remember correctly, these were in Tokyo though, so it does make sense.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only very old apartments in Tokyo, or perhaps those specially commissioned, are going to look like the picture you posted. In larger apartments there is often one room that is Japanese-style like the one in the picture, but the rest of the apartment will be "western-style"- really it's still very Japanese though, just modern Japanese as opposed to traditional.

You probably won't be able to afford more than one room unless you are way out in the country somewhere where rent is very cheap, and you will drastically reduce your choice if you insist on tatami flooring only in a one room apartment.

Make sure the apartment isn't too old if you go for tatami- anything more than about 25 years old in Tokyo usually has almost no insulation and little earthquake proofing- this is one reason you don't find many old style apartments here any more. Older tatami can often be full of dust mites, which is not good for those with allergies.

You can get thin tatami to put over the flooring very cheaply if you want to make the place feel more Japanese. I don't think you'll need to worry about feeling like you are living in Japan- no matter what kind of apartment you live in that aspect will pervade pretty much your whole life once you are here!
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That picture looks like a hotel room. I agree with Apsara that only old apartments these days look like that. My first apartment here in 1998 had a bedroom that looked similarly, and the building was over 40 years old. Same thing with a company apartment where I stayed in 1987.

Those kinds of places are often quite cold and damp. Most apartments these days also have just a kerosene space heater (no central heating) to keep it warm, and unless you pay to have a second one in a bedroom (or if you ONLY have one room), it'll be quite cold in there. You can't turn on the heater while you are away, either, because of the earthquake risk.

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Some of the housing I saw on one of those sites (I forget which now) they were advertising guestrooms with shared kitchen and that for up to 50,000 yen and apartments from 80,000 if I remember correctly, these were in Tokyo though, so it does make sense.
That price, even for a 1-room "studio" (as you called it) is pretty cheap (50,000) to fairly standard (80,000), and I use that range as an overall average throughout the country for apartment prices when people ask. Obviously, there are differences; people have cited 20,000-30,000 on the extreme low end (usually in very rural places) and in excess of 150,000 for central big cities. As I wrote earlier, this pretty much conforms to what you'd find in similar places in the USA, for example. I hope you weren't thinking 50,000-80,000 was too expensive!
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