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cheguvera
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Thank you all.
VS�I meant 50% of what the word �propaganda� actually stands for. I am totally convinced with the constructive intent in all these discussion; though I am not an English teacher, the advice and insight I get from this forum is highly appreciable. I should listen to you folks because, I never had any ME experience.
Scot47- being a non-Muslim, holy place never motivates me.
Trapezius- I�m highly concerned about loosing research profile. The lol for UK lectureship because of the hardship in getting one suitable post. I haven�t made up my mind yet, whether should I relocate to middle east or not. I have a fixed term teaching contract till August in the UK, which is most unlikely to renew. My department is gonna redistribute my teaching load with the current faculty members as a step to be cost-effective.
7atetan:- this is the maximum I can push it, 13750 SAR. Take it or leave it, they clearly told me that.
I have another query to ask. I am applying for several UK posts starting from this September. There are possibilities that I may get one. I just want to keep the Middle East option, if nothing works out here. Suppose if I accept an offer from one of the KSA uni, process the visa etc and finally tell by July/August that I am not coming, will it create any legal issues? |
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scot47
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| No legal issues if you do that but you may face difficulties if you want a job here at a later date. |
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Cleopatra
Joined: 28 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Suppose if I accept an offer from one of the KSA uni, process the visa etc and finally tell by July/August that I am not coming, will it create any legal issues? |
You'll certainly mightily p**s off your would-be employers, and do away with any chances of ever working for them in the future, but that might not bother you too much. What might be of more concern is that getting a Saudi visa can be an expensive process - when you factor in the medical tests, document verification etc, it can easily end up costing a few hundred pounds. The normal procedure is that the applicant pays these expenses up front, and the employer reimburses them on arrival in the Kingdom. Obviously, if you end up not going to the Kingdom, you'll be out of pocket.
Also, if you ever do want to apply for another job with a different Saudi employer, having an unused Saudi visa in your passport might complicate matters, perhaps neccesitating your getting a new passport. |
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bulgogiboy
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| cheguvera wrote: |
The one and only one motivation to choose KSA is due to the hardship
in finding a suitable faculty position in the UK as well as a
fascinating postdoctoral project to pursue. My research field comes
under physical sciences. On top, I have a massive loan to pay off
ASAP.
>> You won't get more than that. Because, why should you?
Why shouldn't? However you gauge it, a PhD holder with 3 journal
publications certainly got some rationales behind it to negotiate
for an Assistant Professor job.
If a BA+TEFL worth 13.5 K, why a PhD holder with an emerging track
record of publications to be underrated? It is an ironical paradox
and common sense has nothing to do with it. However I assume thats
the truth.
>> Career in the UK/US!!!!
lol 
>> when my brother (PhD in math from a top US university) applied for a post last year, he was offered SR. 11,500
Must be an idiot to take it. I believe over availability is
demoralizing the whole system. Furthermore KFUPM is a university
with academic focus on Science and Engineering courses; therefore
why a math prof's market value is further down?
Let me come to the original question I asked, how to negotiate with
salary? Finally it is my choice to take it or leave it. |
I'm not trying to be offensive but your English doesn't read like that of a native speaker. English isn't your first language, is it? Some of your sentences almost read like Yoda's written them ("therefore why a math Prof's market value is further down?"). 
You said you're from the East part of the EU, right? Perhaps your nationality has something to do with why you were offered less than you expected?
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scot47
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh - Linguisticism ! You are not allowed to be horrid to people from a different linguistic background ! This is a sin on a parallel level to SPECIESISM !! |
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7atetan
Joined: 01 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| [...]My understanding of "Mashallah" and the context of its use is to say something like "Behold the wonders that the LORD has wrought !" |
Shouldn't that be "hath wrought"?  
Exactly! It's equivalent to "Wow!" (As in "You can speak three languages? Wow!", not "Wow, that accident was a bloodbath!") Anyway, hardly something one would rejoin upon learning of Saudi racism.
I reckon "3auddu billah" would be more appropriate.
Ya3ani |
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cheguvera
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| bulgogiboy wrote: |
I'm not trying to be offensive but your English doesn't read like that of a native speaker.
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I admitted this twice in the forum, still what are you trying to prove Mr Native Speaker? What is it's relavance at this stage? |
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Cleopatra
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| Exactly! It's equivalent to "Wow!" (As in "You can speak three languages? Wow!", not "Wow, that accident was a bloodbath!") |
No it is not.
It is better translated as "This is God's will" and is said when praising or complimenting someone, or commenting on a happy event such as the birth of a baby, the idea being that one should acknowledge God's kindness when remarking upon human skill, beauty or good fortune.
"Wow" doesn't even begin to capture it. |
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7atetan
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| Exactly! It's equivalent to "Wow!" (As in "You can speak three languages? Wow!", not "Wow, that accident was a bloodbath!") |
No it is not.
It is better translated as "This is God's will" and is said when praising or complimenting someone, or commenting on a happy event such as the birth of a baby, the idea being that one should acknowledge God's kindness when remarking upon human skill, beauty or good fortune.
"Wow" doesn't even begin to capture it. |
And just how do you propose to express all that in English, smarty-pants? The phrase may carry all those connotations (for and about which I do not particularly care), but the closest we can reasonably approximate it in English is "Wow, congratulations!"/"Wow, impressive!"
All of which is, of course, irrelevant because my point is that it is an inapposite response to the original statement.
But you already knew that, Kiki. |
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007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Literally means 'Whatever Allah (God) wills'. |
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johnslat
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Dear 007.
You're right, Alhamdulillah:
Mashallah
Meaning:
Literally means 'Whatever Allah (God) wills'. It is often used in occasions where there is surprise in someone's good deeds or achievements. For example people say Mashallah when someone does very well in their exams.
True Form: ماشاءالله
Grammar:
phraze; 3 words;
Regards,
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lazycomputerkids
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| Appropriate Unicode, John has it. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| And just how do you propose to express all that in English, smarty-pants? |
Ummmm... the way I did in my last post? Which is pretty much the same as other posters have done in theirs? Which, in turn, is pretty much the same as you would find in a good dictionary, albeit perhaps not the one you appear to have swallowed.
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The phrase may carry all those connotations (for and about which I do not particularly care |
LOL! Because you 'don't care' for the 'connotations' of the expression (which are actually a literal translation), then you can make up a 'translation' to suit yourself? Never mind that those 'connotations' are in fact integral to the expression, as used on a daily basis by millions of people?
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| the closest we can reasonably approximate it in English is "Wow, congratulations!"/"Wow, impressive!" |
That may be the closest you can come up with, but please do not presume to speak for others who are familiar with the actual meaning of the phrase. |
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ama2000
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:08 pm Post subject: URGENT: increase by writing? |
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Hi cheguvera,
I'm wondering if you got the 10% increase on your basic salary by email or not yet. My friend got an offer from the engineering department at KFUPM and he asked for an increase, but he didn't get any response since about a week ago. We are worried about that.
Any help is highly appreciated.
Thanks
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scot47
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:03 am Post subject: |
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In most cases the response from the Saudi side will be."Take it or leave it !" In many cases they will give you no reply at all.
There are cultural parameters here that outsiders seem reluctant to accept. This is not California. The rules are different.
That self-help book written in the USA or UK, "Seven Stratagems for Super Salaries" might not work when you are dealing with organisations in the Middle East. |
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