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Ajarn Miguk
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 Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 1:37 am Post subject: Threads critical of schools in LOS permitted on Dave's |
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While other supposedly teacher friendly sites in Thailand do not permit threads with negative comments naming schools or EFL teacher training programs?
What do you think? |
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pest2
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:47 am Post subject: Re: Why does Dave's permit threads critical of schools in LO |
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| Ajarn Miguk wrote: |
While other supposedly teacher friendly sites in Thailand do not permit threads with negative comments naming schools or EFL teacher training programs?
What do you think? |
Whats wrong with threads with negative comments about schools or teacher training programs? It's a great way to be warned..... |
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Ajarn Miguk
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| Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| I agree so why don't some of the more popular teacher sites in LOS? |
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misteradventure
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| Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:40 am Post subject: critical posts |
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Free exchange of information helps everyone. If you are a business owner surrounded by people who only say positive things and don't know that your customer service is crap, sites which host critical comments can provide the information to improve the school or business...
In other words, by hosting 'negative' comments, this site is providing a positive service to those owners who care enough to improve their businesses and correct deficiencies. |
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Gypsy King
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| Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:22 am Post subject: |
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Many (if not most) schools in Thailand would prefer ESL teachers teach as a volunteer and not on paid wages at all. Criticism of those schools is necessary as without it they would accept our labor as a non-paid ESL teacher in the LOS. Unfortunately it is necessary for most of us as teachers to criticize them as we all need to recieve some form of compensation for our work.  |
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Placebo
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Gypsy King wrote: |
| Many (if not most) schools in Thailand would prefer ESL teachers teach as a volunteer and not on paid wages at all. |
MOD EDIT The majority of schools are not looking for volunteers.
The reason why Dave's permits critical posts about schools is because this site is not sponsored by schools. the "other popular teacher site" is heavily sponsored by a variety of Thai schools. As they make there money through advertisement and also through job ads from these schools, they don't want negative publicity. The "other popular teacher site" is a business while Dave's is mainly a forum.
Also, Dave's is not limited to Thailand, so this site could care less about negative publicity among Thai schools. |
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Ajarn Miguk
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| Placebo wrote: |
| Gypsy King wrote: |
| Many (if not most) schools in Thailand would prefer ESL teachers teach as a volunteer and not on paid wages at all. |
MOD EDIT The majority of schools are not looking for volunteers.
The reason why Dave's permits critical posts about schools is because this site is not sponsored by schools. the "other popular teacher site" is heavily sponsored by a variety of Thai schools. As they make there money through advertisement and also through job ads from these schools, they don't want negative publicity. The "other popular teacher site" is a business while Dave's is mainly a forum.
Also, Dave's is not limited to Thailand, so this site could care less about negative publicity among Thai schools. |
Dave's is not sponsored by schools?
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/china/
http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/
Dave's is not a business?
The way I read it there is a fee paid for every advertisement posted here.
I don't understand your reasoning.
There are messages posted here critical of schools and employers all around the world. Why should a site in Thailand not be willing to permit the same thing? Only because it is located in Thailand?  |
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Placebo
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:07 am Post subject: |
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You posted links to the the job boards which are job ads. And yes, you are right they are paid for, but the "popular teaching website" that the OP is refering to has banners of multiple schools which sponsor the site itself.
Not my reasoning, but their reasoning is that they will lose those sponsors if they permit naming and shaming of these schools.
Dave's has sponsored links to TEFL/TESOL providers. I'm sure that if you you would spread some negative publicity about them they would reconsider their sponsored link on Dave's. |
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Ajarn Miguk
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Oxford Seminars is one of those outfits with sponsored links on Dave's and with little or no effort I found a thread that contains negative comments regarding OS. It has obviously not caused the effect you seem to feel will occur from negative comments since they are still advertising here:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=70896&highlight=oxford+seminars
It looks like there are others and not just for Oxford Seminars.
BTW, the OP does not single out an individual site in Thailand. It reads "sites," not "site."
It seems to me that some of the information that finds its way here and possibly not permitted elsewhere is information teachers need to know when selecting a job, training provider, etc.
Isn't that what these sites should be doing? Helping teachers or prospective teachers? |
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Placebo
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:58 am Post subject: |
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I agree with your statement that these sites should help teachers and that negative experiences should be shared with everybody. I never claimed that I support that kind of censorship.
All I was trying to point out is that the main website for teachers in Thailand MOD EDIT doesn't allow naming and shaming of schools.
MOD EDIT
Anyway, I'm not on this thread to claim that I am right and you are wrong. I was trying to explain why a certain website doesn't allow naming and shaming. (There is only one main teacher's website in Thailand, and I'm pretty sure that the OP is referring to that one) |
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Placebo
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| Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:01 am Post subject: |
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I just realized that YOU are the OP...  |
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Gypsy King
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| Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:14 am Post subject: |
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I agree it is extremely important to help teachers on this site beware of unscrupulous Thai ESL employers and there are many. Again I feel that without some criticism of these schools the trend will be for volunteer English language teachers in Thailand as most Thais instinctively feel we should come to the LOS for the experience and NOT the money!  |
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seattle
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| ...because less of dave's rice and beer money comes from thai advertisers. the other channel is 99% thai $$$. thus the posting bias. |
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Ajarn Miguk
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| seattle wrote: |
| ...because less of dave's rice and beer money comes from thai advertisers. the other channel is 99% thai $$$. thus the posting bias. |
Following your line of reasoning, this site then should not permit postings critical of schools, employers, teacher training programs from all around the world where it appears it gets 99% of its bread and butter.
Yet, it does.
Go figure. 
I guess my point is that teachers and prospective teachers are being deprived of potentially valuable information by sites that have a blanket prohibition of comments critical of schools, etc.
Is it that schools, etc., are more important than teachers on those sites?
On the other hand, I've seen many threads here than began with or later included comments critical of schools, etc., that resulted in the exchange of very productive information for teachers considering employment or training with a particular institution. Some comments were positive while others were negative. Both sides were permitted to express their opinions.
Only being able to read one side of the story on some sites doesn't seem to be fair or particularly beneficial to teachers.
That's just me, though.  |
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Placebo
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:31 am Post subject: |
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It seems you don't really want to know why other sites don't permit critical posts. You repeatedly make your point that sites should be open to critical posts. Nobody denies that on this thread. You made your point -we get it...
However, you seem to imply that other sites are trying to deprive teachers of valuable information for mysterious reasons when in reality all they are doing is to make sure that their sponsors don't run away.
Yes, according to "my reasoning" that would mean that Dave's sponsors woud be running away. And they don't. Well than we should be happy about it. Other websites have had other experiences and they openly say so.
If you find this reasoning faulty, enlighten us: what do you think is the reason why other websites don't permit posts that are critical of schools that sponsor those sites? |
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