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randyj
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Z visas are usually available in 3 month, 6 month, and one year lengths ( not every city has the latter) . |
I have encountered Z visas only in the 30-day category. Are you sure you don't mean F visas? |
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Sinobear
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Silent Shadow: No problem...glad to help.
At least, please let us all know how things work out in the end and maybe we all can be of help to others in the same situation.
These forums work best when a problem or issue is raised and then others can see the results - good or bad, positive or negative.
Cheers! |
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Silent Shadow
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: A stones throw past the back of beyond
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| Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Sinobear wrote: |
Silent Shadow: No problem...glad to help.
At least, please let us all know how things work out in the end and maybe we all can be of help to others in the same situation.
These forums work best when a problem or issue is raised and then others can see the results - good or bad, positive or negative.
Cheers! |
Well said, Sino. I'll certainly let everybody know how it all pans out. |
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Mister Al
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Mr Bedtime
Sorry, but you are wrong. Z visa last for 30 days. They cannot be 'extended'. During that 30 days you need to get all the proper documentation to apply for a Residenct Permit. Perhaps you are thinking of L or F visas. |
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mr bedtime
Joined: 15 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Sorry! that was a typo! I was sleepy.
I meant to say that F visas (this thread and my post were about f visas, not Z visas) are available in 3 month, 6 month and 12 month versions/extensions.
And as I stated before, you can get at least a 1 month or 3 month one in hong kong with no invitation letter (contrary to all common sense and offical rules), but then you must extend it while you are in china if you want to satay longer.
And for that you either need an invite, or have the visa agency invite you...but they only do that for ...money. |
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Sinobear
Joined: 24 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| mr bedtime wrote: |
...but then you must extend it while you are in china if you want to satay longer.
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So, if I want Indonesian food, I have to extend my visa?  |
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linton03
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| Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Mr bedtime,
Could you please send me the info on the visa agent. I have not done 5 post yet.
THanks |
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Silent Shadow
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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Location: A stones throw past the back of beyond
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I got it all sorted out in the end. I didn't even have to leave the city that I'm working in. I found a middleman in Beijing: a company who specializes in converting visas for foreigners in China. They had no trouble in converting my L visa into a two month residence permit.
I'm delighted that it's all been taken care of. The only, thing is, that I'm no nearer knowing whether it's possible to convert an L to a Z in Hong Kong. Not to worry, though, as I have found out that there are alternatives. |
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The Ever-changing Cleric
Joined: 19 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:12 am Post subject: |
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I got it all sorted out in the end. I didn't even have to leave the city that I'm working in. I found a middleman in Beijing: a company who specializes in converting visas for foreigners in China. They had no trouble in converting my L visa into a two month residence permit.
I'm delighted that it's all been taken care of. The only, thing is, that I'm no nearer knowing whether it's possible to convert an L to a Z in Hong Kong. Not to worry, though, as I have found out that there are alternatives. |
an L visa cant be changed into a Z visa, you need to cancel the L visa and then apply for a Z visa. it might be possible to convert an L visa into a residence permit though. |
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Silent Shadow
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| Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:02 am Post subject: |
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I got it all sorted out in the end. I didn't even have to leave the city that I'm working in. I found a middleman in Beijing: a company who specializes in converting visas for foreigners in China. They had no trouble in converting my L visa into a two month residence permit.
I'm delighted that it's all been taken care of. The only, thing is, that I'm no nearer knowing whether it's possible to convert an L to a Z in Hong Kong. Not to worry, though, as I have found out that there are alternatives. |
an L visa cant be changed into a Z visa, you need to cancel the L visa and then apply for a Z visa. it might be possible to convert an L visa into a residence permit though. |
Meaning, that, to get fron L to Z you would have to leave China, because cancelling in country first would make you illegal. Is that what you mean? That would, perhaps, explain why I was given a residence permit and not a Z visa.
Anyway, pedantic discussions aside, the point is I didn't have to leave China to get fully legal to work, even though I merely had an L visa to begin with. This is not written to boast; I had promised to update the forum about later developments, as this information may be useful for others who find themselves in similar situations. |
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LanGuTou
Joined: 23 Mar 2009
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Location: Shandong
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| Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| The Ever-changing Cleric wrote: |
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I got it all sorted out in the end. I didn't even have to leave the city that I'm working in. I found a middleman in Beijing: a company who specializes in converting visas for foreigners in China. They had no trouble in converting my L visa into a two month residence permit.
I'm delighted that it's all been taken care of. The only, thing is, that I'm no nearer knowing whether it's possible to convert an L to a Z in Hong Kong. Not to worry, though, as I have found out that there are alternatives. |
an L visa cant be changed into a Z visa, you need to cancel the L visa and then apply for a Z visa. it might be possible to convert an L visa into a residence permit though. |
Meaning, that, to get fron L to Z you would have to leave China, because cancelling in country first would make you illegal. Is that what you mean? That would, perhaps, explain why I was given a residence permit and not a Z visa.
Anyway, pedantic discussions aside, the point is I didn't have to leave China to get fully legal to work, even though I merely had an L visa to begin with. This is not written to boast; I had promised to update the forum about later developments, as this information may be useful for others who find themselves in similar situations. |
To work legally, you have to obtain a 'z' visa and use it to obtain a residence permit (putting aside little grey areas that exist in China such as guanxi). RP's are not always issued for employment purposes. You should check the part that states the purpose of residence. If it has the characters 任职 or 就业, it has work entitlement. |
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Menino80
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| The Ever-changing Cleric wrote: |
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I got it all sorted out in the end. I didn't even have to leave the city that I'm working in. I found a middleman in Beijing: a company who specializes in converting visas for foreigners in China. They had no trouble in converting my L visa into a two month residence permit.
I'm delighted that it's all been taken care of. The only, thing is, that I'm no nearer knowing whether it's possible to convert an L to a Z in Hong Kong. Not to worry, though, as I have found out that there are alternatives. |
an L visa cant be changed into a Z visa, you need to cancel the L visa and then apply for a Z visa. it might be possible to convert an L visa into a residence permit though. |
Really? I'm under the impression that a Z visa is only good in that it allows you to convert into the residence permit, which is the actualy document that allows you to work. Am I correct? So assuming I am, I could go to Beijing to study for 3 months (on an F visa, if possible), get a job and get the permit without having to leave China? That would be excellent. |
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Silent Shadow
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Silent Shadow wrote: |
| The Ever-changing Cleric wrote: |
| Silent Shadow wrote: |
I got it all sorted out in the end. I didn't even have to leave the city that I'm working in. I found a middleman in Beijing: a company who specializes in converting visas for foreigners in China. They had no trouble in converting my L visa into a two month residence permit.
I'm delighted that it's all been taken care of. The only, thing is, that I'm no nearer knowing whether it's possible to convert an L to a Z in Hong Kong. Not to worry, though, as I have found out that there are alternatives. |
an L visa cant be changed into a Z visa, you need to cancel the L visa and then apply for a Z visa. it might be possible to convert an L visa into a residence permit though. |
Meaning, that, to get fron L to Z you would have to leave China, because cancelling in country first would make you illegal. Is that what you mean? That would, perhaps, explain why I was given a residence permit and not a Z visa.
Anyway, pedantic discussions aside, the point is I didn't have to leave China to get fully legal to work, even though I merely had an L visa to begin with. This is not written to boast; I had promised to update the forum about later developments, as this information may be useful for others who find themselves in similar situations. |
To work legally, you have to obtain a 'z' visa and use it to obtain a residence permit (putting aside little grey areas that exist in China such as guanxi). RP's are not always issued for employment purposes. You should check the part that states the purpose of residence. If it has the characters 任职 or 就业, it has work entitlement. |
My permit has the first two characters you mentioned on it, so it's good to go. It seems the middleman had enough guanxi, necessary. |
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Calypso
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| The only, thing is, that I'm no nearer knowing whether it's possible to convert an L to a Z in Hong Kong. |
I went to HK 2 weeks ago from China to get a Z visa. The school provided the necessary paperwork, I provided my passport & voila. No dramas whatsoever, it's a very efficient process. |
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Silent Shadow
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| The only, thing is, that I'm no nearer knowing whether it's possible to convert an L to a Z in Hong Kong. |
I went to HK 2 weeks ago from China to get a Z visa. The school provided the necessary paperwork, I provided my passport & voila. No dramas whatsoever, it's a very efficient process. |
Glad to hear , Calypso. Just to confirm, though; It was an L that you changed to a Z, wasn't it?
This is very useful information for teachers on this site. Thanks for sharing. |
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