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naturegirl321
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 Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:15 am Post subject: American COllege of Education? |
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| I just came across this, www.ace.edu , what do you think of it? Legit? It's 18 months. |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| My first thought was that the name is bogus; I mean, come on, college of education? Taking note of the obvious, are we? Then I looked up some stuff about accredited online places. They weren't on any of the lists that I saw. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:24 am Post subject: |
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The Higher Learning Commission of the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools
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The Illinois Board of Higher Education
accrediate them |
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Chancellor
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| johntpartee wrote: |
| My first thought was that the name is bogus; I mean, come on, college of education? Taking note of the obvious, are we? Then I looked up some stuff about accredited online places. They weren't on any of the lists that I saw. |
Oh, let's see now: the University of Maryland, of Pennsylvania, of Illinois, of Washington, of Florida, among others, all have a "college of education." |
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johntpartee
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, very many colleges (including my alma mater) have a DEPARTMENT called "College of Education", but to call the whole shootin' match by that name just kinda made me wonder.....
I've been wrong before, I'm sure it will happen again. |
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Chancellor
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| johntpartee wrote: |
Yes, very many colleges (including my alma mater) have a DEPARTMENT called "College of Education", but to call the whole shootin' match by that name just kinda made me wonder.....
I've been wrong before, I'm sure it will happen again. |
Well, if training teachers is all it does, then why not? I do admit, though, that 18 months seems a bit unrealistic (unless, of course, they require you to already have a bachelor's degree - as this one does since it's a master's program). |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty sure it's year round. It-s like five weeks of classes and then a week off for the whole 18 months. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
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I would give it a miss. It's entirely possible that they have good programs. But think of your resume. Potential employers don't have to have necessarily heard of the university where you did your masters, so long as they can just google it and see that it's a real university that people in that (English speaking) nation commonly go to to get their undergraduate degree in a variety of different areas. But that's the key- it needs to be from a university that offers a variety of majors and is understood to be a regular university.
It's no different than certificates. People could go to _ _ _ _ _ _ TESOL College and show a certificate from them. Or people could go to a publicly funded community college that has a variety of post-graduate certificates (each of which requires either an undergraduate degree or a college diploma) and get a certificate from them. The latter is thought of as a lot more trustworthy than the former.
I think the fact that they are a stand-alone "College of Education" is a liability, and if I were reading resumes and came across it, I would probably think "Aunt Sally's movin' on up from 'TESOL Certificates !!! ACT NOW and get a FREE (!!!) world map!' to 'Masters of Education !!! ACT NOW and get a FREE (!!!) 100 page atlas! That's a thirty dollar value FREE when you sign up for Aunt Sally's special ***mASSters in TESOL�***!". |
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| GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
I would give it a miss. It's entirely possible that they have good programs. But think of your resume. Potential employers don't have to have necessarily heard of the university where you did your masters, so long as they can just google it and see that it's a real university that people in that (English speaking) nation commonly go to to get their undergraduate degree in a variety of different areas. But that's the key- it needs to be from a university that offers a variety of majors and is understood to be a regular university.
It's no different than certificates. People could go to _ _ _ _ _ _ TESOL College and show a certificate from them. Or people could go to a publicly funded community college that has a variety of post-graduate certificates (each of which requires either an undergraduate degree or a college diploma) and get a certificate from them. The latter is thought of as a lot more trustworthy than the former.
I think the fact that they are a stand-alone "College of Education" is a liability, and if I were reading resumes and came across it, I would probably think "Aunt Sally's movin' on up from 'TESOL Certificates !!! ACT NOW and get a FREE (!!!) world map!' to 'Masters of Education !!! ACT NOW and get a FREE (!!!) 100 page atlas! That's a thirty dollar value FREE when you sign up for Aunt Sally's special ***mASSters in TESOL�***!". |
Community colleges don't offer post-graduate certificates - they don't even offer bachelor's degrees.
So, I guess if a chiropractor went to a chiropractic college instead of a government university they're not real chiropractors? How about veterinarians? (There are actually only about 30 veterinarian schools in the United States).
If this so-called "College of Education" has the appropriate accreditation, then what's the problem? |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
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The college system in Ontario, Canada offers postgraduate certificates (and they have also started offering bachelor degrees, usually in connection with a university). Where I'm from, veterinarians go to university. It's harder to get into that than being a doctor for humans.
You notice I said that they may have good programs. The problem is that in much of the world, a real university is one that offers degrees in a lot of different areas. So if you approach an employer with an online degree from that school, they may question whether it's equivalent to a masters degree from a 'regular' university. As I mentioned, I would. |
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| GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
| The college system in Ontario, Canada offers postgraduate certificates (and they have also started offering bachelor degrees, usually in connection with a university). Where I'm from, veterinarians go to university. It's harder to get into that than being a doctor for humans. |
I'm not sure about what goes on in Canada but at least here in the States there's a difference between a "community college" and a "college" or "university." Community colleges are two-year schools from which one would obtain an associate's degree.
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| You notice I said that they may have good programs. The problem is that in much of the world, a real university is one that offers degrees in a lot of different areas. So if you approach an employer with an online degree from that school, they may question whether it's equivalent to a masters degree from a 'regular' university. As I mentioned, I would. |
And I wasn't even thinking about the online part.
Anyway, I'd be more interested in who accredits the school and not whether it offered a variety of programs. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
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| Chancellor wrote: |
| GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
| The college system in Ontario, Canada offers postgraduate certificates (and they have also started offering bachelor degrees, usually in connection with a university). Where I'm from, veterinarians go to university. It's harder to get into that than being a doctor for humans. |
I'm not sure about what goes on in Canada but at least here in the States there's a difference between a "community college" and a "college" or "university." Community colleges are two-year schools from which one would obtain an associate's degree. |
In Ontario, Canada, a community college is usually just called a 'college' in spoken language. You get a diploma in three years in programs that emphasize application. They also offer postgraduate certificates (they take two semesters) in a variety of subjects that are targeted to people with a degree, and occasionally also to people with a college diploma. We don't have college as equalling university, except for when it means department or when it means a building on a large campus or for really large schools, a satellite campus itself.
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| You notice I said that they may have good programs. The problem is that in much of the world, a real university is one that offers degrees in a lot of different areas. So if you approach an employer with an online degree from that school, they may question whether it's equivalent to a masters degree from a 'regular' university. As I mentioned, I would. |
And I wasn't even thinking about the online part. |
It's an online school. It doesn't have a campus. It only does one subject area. That makes it very much akin to the online TESOL certificates that are often thought of as not worth the paper they were written on.
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Anyway, I'd be more interested in who accredits the school and not whether it offered a variety of programs. |
That's an American way of approaching it. I know it's a school based in the States, but if you teach overseas, then your employers will likely not be from the US. The inner circle Commonwealth countries have systems where there is no such thing as an unaccredited university (and although this is called a 'college', the fact that it has graduate degrees means that it would be called a university), and so if it's a 'university', it's a university. They are all 'equal', but local reputation leads some to be more equal than others (leading to things like the "Canadian Ivy League" at one end, and schools that although are equal, may be thought of as a last chance school locally). |
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naturegirl321
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It's not for me, but for a friend. I think he's leaning towards for money reasons, and that you can get it quickly. I'm heading for Deakin  |
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