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johnslat
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Dear zooey,
"However, to hear Americans discussing aspirated and unaspirated H's makes me wonder about the very qualifications of those who talk about erbs and erbal tea. (so amusing to us Brits) Have they perchance been influenced by the patios of Jamaican immigrants to the Land of the Free?"
It would seem that I and every American I have ever heard say the words "herbs" and "herbal tea" have somehow escaped the insidious influence of those patios-speaking, h-dropping Jamaicans.
But then, we don't get too many of them here in New Mexico, 
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umzakaria
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veiledsentiments
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| johnslat wrote: |
| It would seem that I and every American I have ever heard say the words "herbs" and "herbal tea" have somehow escaped the insidious influence of those patios-speaking, h-dropping Jamaicans. |
Interestingly, my experience has been exactly the opposite. I suspect that it is geographical in the US. East Coast... far north... there is usually no "h" in herb or herbal... and to me it sounds odd to hear it pronounced.
Rather like that "t" in often... 
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johnslat
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Dear veiledsentiments,
Lord, I HATE hearing that "t" in "often", not to mention hearing the "b" in "subtle."
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veiledsentiments
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Where I grew up, there is a "t" ... moved to the East Coast and it disappeared. It could bring up some spirited discussions in a US linguistics class. I have heard it pronounced with the 't' on the BBC too.
That one doesn't bother me... what bothers me is when the Brits (and New Englanders) stick "r" all over the ends of words that don't have one... but then don't pronounce the ones that are written. 
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johnslat
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Dear veiledsentiments,
Having grown up in Boston, MA, I pahk my cahr in the Hahvard Yahd, not in Cuber or Africer.
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scot47
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The vile practice of which you speak is a feature not of Britspeak but of varieties that we used to call RP.
"Lor and order," is certainly not found in all varieties spoken on our Offshore Islands. Certainly not amongst those who speak as I do ! |
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Sheikh N Bake
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--Beam me up, Scotty. I...want...answers, Mr. Scot
--She canna take much morrr of this, captain! She's straining at warrup nine as it tis! |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Thanks Gawd for all of us who have "received" our pronunciations!
NCTBA |
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veiledsentiments
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| scot47 wrote: |
| The vile practice of which you speak is a feature not of Britspeak but of varieties that we used to call RP. |
You will note that I didn't say all Brits... but you must admit that it's common in that part of the world. I naturally wasn't including you as a 'Brit'... you're a Scot!! 
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Kipling
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| Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:23 am Post subject: You don't get me I'm part of the union...dum de dum de dum |
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I naturally wasn't including you as a 'Brit'... you're a Scot!!
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Obviously things have changed
Whilst we've been away!!!
Another total shocker
For dear old Mr K
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