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johntpartee
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| other posts relate to a different type of feeling |
Yes, it's very obvious to me that the other posts are about a different "feeling" that teachers have about being observed. What is a mystery to me is why it would bother anybody. They "feel" that they're being ripped off? They "feel" that they're not getting due credit? Rather than feeling violated, it seems complimentary. That's something you can put on your resume! |
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kukiv
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| They "feel" that they're being ripped off? They "feel" that they're not getting due credit? Rather than feeling violated, it seems complimentary. |
Well John, after you've gained a little more experience in China - I think you'll find that most folk acknowledge subtle difference between the concepts of - sharing where you inform those you share from that you wish to use their work and just taking without a single comment.
Where the term complimentary fits into all of this is of course a matter for those who find their work suddenly being copied in another classroom without their prior knowledge.
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| That's something you can put on your resume! |
Well if those are resumes for other Chinese jobs - as far your professional feelings with regard to working as an Ft goes, well it doesn't hardly matter what you put down - since the main priorities within that resume is that it show that the candidate is white, alive enough to to actually put pen to paper or finger to keyboard, will accept a pittance for doing their work, and can come as soon as possible. Not many bosses are concerned with fine pedagogic platitude in a resume - which kind of goes hand in hand with not too many CT's ever talk to an FT over the teaching method they're about to copy.
Once you've been here a little bit John - you'll find the feeling of 'complimentary' can sometimes wash away into a distant grey mist  |
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PattyFlipper
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No, it really doesn't depend on who but on the procedure. If it is a standard to insure quality and children's safety as well as producing a record of classroom events and it is the policy of the company that employs the teacher, it is warranted and should be welcomed by a qualified teacher who conduct themselves in an educational manor at all times while instructing students.
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Ah, so it's a language mill. I very much doubt that the Chinese management of said mill had "quality and children's safety" in mind when they installed their omnipresent surveillance cameras in the classrooms. |
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Jayray
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I worked for a private school in the states that had cameras in some (but not all) class rooms. I became accustomed the camera, and soon I forgot about it.
What bothers me is that is some schools that have a PA system, the principals and those with access to the PA can (and do) listen in.
I've never encountered any sort of camera or the like in any of my [Chinese]*** class rooms. I've taught in schools with pretty high levels of class room technology, so maybe there have been cameras, but I haven't been aware of them.
***Edited for clarification.
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sharpe88
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So what do they have in mind ?
"Ah, so it's a language mill. I very much doubt that the Chinese management of said mill had "quality and children's safety" in mind when they installed their omnipresent surveillance cameras in the classrooms." |
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kukiv
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| Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| So what do they have in mind ? |
sometimes its very simple - Chinese Parents, like Chinese customers everywhere are always suspecting a rip-off - they pay for an FT so they want the right to look in on the classroom and make sure it is an FT and not a CT who's teaching the lesson!!!!!
Of course there are parents who also want to monitor how their children are doing - but safety issues - well you'll probably find in same building the fire-doors locked (if there any in the first place), no first-aid kit , no fire extinguishers, cleaning ladies mopping wet water onto tiled walking surfaces to make them almost as slippy as ice and a good probability that the boss will have no problems of enjoying his cigarette while sharing his lung-damaging smoke with any small child that happens to be around him!!!!!!!!! |
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gene
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| Ah, so it's a language mill. I very much doubt that the Chinese management of said mill had "quality and children's safety" in mind when they installed their omnipresent surveillance cameras in the classrooms. |
No, PattyFlipper it is a dual degree program for university students and your assumption of the level of concern given to children customers of facilities you have no prior knowledge of as a way to characterize the legitimacy of my post really only reveals your mindset and a unwillingness to participate in a process that could improve the understanding of management and teacher alike. |
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Jayray
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| During in-class observations, the Chinese observers are given copies of my hand-outs. I've seen observers copy my notes from the board. I take it as a compliment. |
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johntpartee
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| "It is amazing what a man can accomplish if he doesn't care who gets the credit." Harry S Truman |
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Silent Shadow
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| "It is amazing what a man can accomplish if he doesn't care who gets the credit." Harry S Truman |
Excellent quote, John.
I totally agree with it! |
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ttorriel
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| During in-class observations, the Chinese observers are given copies of my hand-outs. I've seen observers copy my notes from the board. I take it as a compliment. |
Sorry to burst the bubble, but Chinese teachers, observers, or whatever you call them are REQUIRED to copy everything you do, say, and write on the board. They all have forms that look much like a lesson planning form (since that's usually what it is) and submit them to their superiors and the such. |
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johntpartee
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| Chinese teachers, observers, or whatever you call them are REQUIRED to copy everything you do |
They don't where I'm at, so it must not be a requirement everywhere. |
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ttorriel
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Clearly your school is a low tier facility that doesn't have any accountability.
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Jayray
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| Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Jayray wrote: |
| During in-class observations, the Chinese observers are given copies of my hand-outs. I've seen observers copy my notes from the board. I take it as a compliment. |
Sorry to burst the bubble, but Chinese teachers, observers, or whatever you call them are REQUIRED to copy everything you do, say, and write on the board. They all have forms that look much like a lesson planning form (since that's usually what it is) and submit them to their superiors and the such. |
Twice, my handouts were reproduced and used by Chinese teachers.
Once, the exact same content was copied onto the blackboard during a class that preceded my class.
I am sure that whatever notes that were taken became part of the record, but they were also used by the department in Chinese teachers' classes. |
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ttorriel
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| And where did you copy them from? |
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