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How Do our Salaries Stack Up?
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The Ever-changing Cleric



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old Surrender wrote:
I get 8,000 RMB, free apartment, and free Chinese lessons for working 23 hours at a McEnglish joint in Dalian. I manage to sock away some money into savings each month, too.

ah, those free chinese lessons Laughing - they used to rank near the top of the benefits available on esl job ads in china. usually right after the low salary and the free housing.

once you've been here awhile you soon realize you can get those lessons anywhere, anytime from anyone - for free.

offering them is a nice gesture nonetheless.
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theincredibleegg



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are the average salaries for Beijing in year 2007:




Beijing average income hit $4,660
Last Updated(Beijing Time):2007-03-29 10:55
The average income for urban workers in the Chinese capital hit 36,097 yuan (about 4,512 US dollars) last year, a rise of 3,289 yuan (about 411 U.S. dollars) from a year ago.

According to statistics provided by the municipal bureau of statistics, the top wage earners were people working in securities and banking services, legal services, transport services, petroleum and natural gas exploitation. They earned more than 100,000 yuan (about 12,500 US dollars) on average over the past year.

They were followed by people working in the insurance, corporate financing and computer services sectors. They earned between 80,000 yuan and 100,000 yuan on average.

Employees in telecommunications, tobacco, software, radio and TV services earned less than 80,000 yuan last year.

The lowest salary earners were security guards who only made 9,000 yuan on average last year. They were followed by workers in furniture making, catering, textiles, garments and footwear who earned less than 19,000 yuan.

The data was collected from workers with state enterprises, collectives, joint ventures, solely-foreign invested ventures in Beijing. It did not include employees of home-based businesses
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donb2222



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe average salaries, but not average incomes.
It is obvious to me that my co-workers and neighbors earn much more than their official salaries.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Laurence



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good distinction from donny B:

Quote:
Maybe average salaries, but not average incomes.
It is obvious to me that my co-workers and neighbors earn much more than their official salaries


Income is comprised of
- salary
- bonus
- commission
- gifts
and other perks..

A friend's cousin recently got a job in a tax office, they had to pay 200 000 to secure the job, which pays about 6000 per month. Jobs are apparently sold in academic institutions too, and other places involved in the tax circulation. If you are in a position to recruit staff, there is a potential for high income (very different to salary though)

Another friend who works for a shipping company receives annual bonuses of about 120 000 - that's almost exactly equivalent to her salary.

So when BMW drivers and multiple apartment owners claim they have a low salary, perhaps it is a little deceptive (and intentionally so), but it's a little more complicated than straightforward lying.

.

A friend asked me to go to HK this weekend, and I told her actually I had been thinking about visiting in the near future.

"why?", she asked
"what do you want to do there?"

- I want to open an HK bank account.

"an HK account? why?"

- because I have so much money!

"you're so funny"
(giggles)

- What do you mean?

"Chinese people would never say that!"
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Zero



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laurence wrote:
Good distinction from donny B:

Quote:
Maybe average salaries, but not average incomes.
It is obvious to me that my co-workers and neighbors earn much more than their official salaries


Income is comprised of
- salary
- bonus
- commission
- gifts
and other perks..

A friend's cousin recently got a job in a tax office, they had to pay 200 000 to secure the job, which pays about 6000 per month. Jobs are apparently sold in academic institutions too, and other places involved in the tax circulation. If you are in a position to recruit staff, there is a potential for high income (very different to salary though)

Another friend who works for a shipping company receives annual bonuses of about 120 000 - that's almost exactly equivalent to her salary.

So when BMW drivers and multiple apartment owners claim they have a low salary, perhaps it is a little deceptive (and intentionally so), but it's a little more complicated than straightforward lying.

.

A friend asked me to go to HK this weekend, and I told her actually I had been thinking about visiting in the near future.

"why?", she asked
"what do you want to do there?"

- I want to open an HK bank account.

"an HK account? why?"

- because I have so much money!

"you're so funny"
(giggles)

- What do you mean?

"Chinese people would never say that!"


No westerners I know would say that, either.
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china-1994



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1995-1800 RMB all are per month
1996-2000..
1997- 5000 With extra work
1998- 8000 ""
1999- 12,000
2000- 48,000
2001-25,000
2002- 20,000
2003- 10,000
2004- 15,000
2005- 8,000
2006-5,000
2007- 4,000
2008- 4,500
2009- 6,000
2010- ????
Cheers,
WW
P.S. Not everything is upwardly mobile:)
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Zero



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you specify a little more about how you earned the money, particularly in the highest years? That does not sound like plain old English-teaching. International school, certified teacher, maybe, but regular jobs, no way.
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china-1994



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, sure. It was a combination of IELTS teaching and being an Examiner.If I recall the examining brought in about 7-9,000 a month for 3 weekends with another 4-7 days dedicated to marking writing.The remainder came from an explosion of IELTS cram schools offering usually 300 RMB per hour, but sometimes as high as 500 RMB.

Cheers,
W
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Halapo



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Location: Jiangsu, China

PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big fact about Chinese teachers working at government run schools:

They get two paychecks! One from the school and one from the government.

Normally the two are equal or close to. Normally when you ask a Chinese teacher how much they make, they only tell you the amount the school pays.

I should note that there have been some changes to this lately. Many provinces have switched to a system were the government pays the teachers. This is to cut out schools collecting money from parents and then sending it on to the government after they take their "operational costs".

So, like most people, Chinese Teacher like to down-play their wage. Also the school can/use to offer help buying homes or cars. Instead of taking a loan from the bank, you take a loan from the school. Of course this can trap schools with poor teachers, seeing as if they fire them, they wont get their money back. So they keep the dead wood around longer. And the other way around, it can trap teachers. They cant move on to other jobs until they pay off their loans.
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china-1994



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first came to Beijing, it was easy to know what the average Zhou was making. Many were given free apartments,free medical and dental. The salary ,though low, was complete savings. The juiced/guanxied folks ...well, you were foolish to ask them their salaries; you simply looked and saw what they were spending/buying.
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