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aodtohan
Joined: 09 Jan 2010 Posts: 28
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:21 pm Post subject: STEP-EIKEN GRAMMAR FLAW |
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Greetings Everyone,
In the STEP-EIKEN reviewer, I came across this rather convoluted sentence:
"The basic difference between these implements and typewriters is that (the new ones don't operate on the principle of a key with a letter on it) striking the paper through and inked ribbon."
This statement really doesn't make sense, does it?
The portion in the parentheses is supposedly the 'correct' arrangement of words to make a coherent sentence. Nonetheless, this sentence has a lot of ambiguous portions already!
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(a) what does 'implements' refer to?
(b) the phrase in the parentheses is unclear as to what exactly it refers to [either the 'implements' or 'typewriters']
(c) The phrase 'striking the paper through and inked ribbon' doesn't make sense at all! ['striking through' is clearly an intransitive verb but it doesn't seem to be the appropriate verb in this context]
How would you re-phrase this sentence to make it not just grammatically correct, but also sensible? |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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I suspect that the second 'and' should read 'an' - the sentence would then be acceptable IMHO.
'These implements' most likely refers to word processors or computers coupled with inkjet printers. 'The new ones' can only really mean 'the(se) new implements' because the operating principle is describing typewriters.
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The phrase 'striking the paper through and inked ribbon' doesn't make sense at all! ['striking through' is clearly an intransitive verb but it doesn't seem to be the appropriate verb in this context] |
How else would you describe/word the process involved? It seems fine and quite accurate to me as it is.
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aodtohan
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you! I think that's i precisely the error of the sentence too: 'and' should be 'an'
I made a mistake, i meant PHRASAL verb. On the phrase 'striking through' ... is the meaning literally 'passing and/or piercing through'?
Also, since the noun ' the paper' could also appear after the phrase 'striking through' (and it would retain the same meaning), would it be right to infer that the phrasal verb 'striking through' can function as both a separable transitive and inseparable intransitive verb? |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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'Strike through' isn't listed as a phrasal verb in the online learner dictionaries (LDCE, OALD) that I've consulted, except in the OALD as a synonym of 'cross or strike sthg out/cross or strike out sthg' (=to draw a line through something written on a piece of paper; to remove sth by drawing a line through it); but more to the point, the function of the prepositional phrase 'through an inked ribbon' is that of adverbial (specifically, an adverbial of 'instrument' I guess), and the form and function of 'striking the paper' itself thus comparatively clear (versus '"striking through" the paper + ???'). |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 1546 Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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aodtohan wrote: |
On the phrase 'striking through' ... is the meaning literally 'passing and/or piercing through'? |
To "strike" something often means to "hit against" something or to "come into sudden contact with" something. Used in this context to describe the process by which a typewriter works, it is quite appropriate.
I agree with Hamster; the sentence makes sense once you change the second "and". |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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Forming letters by striking paper through an inked ribbon is exactly what old typewriters did, and I am old enough to remember when people still used them, although there were electric ones around when I was little! It just occurred to me that there are adults now who have probably never seen/used an old-style typewriter and wouldn't know how they worked- makes me feel old  |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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aodtohan wrote: |
Thank you! I think that's i precisely the error of the sentence too: 'and' should be 'an'
I made a mistake, i meant PHRASAL verb. On the phrase 'striking through' ... is the meaning literally 'passing and/or piercing through'?
Also, since the noun ' the paper' could also appear after the phrase 'striking through' (and it would retain the same meaning), would it be right to infer that the phrasal verb 'striking through' can function as both a separable transitive and inseparable intransitive verb? |
Don't take this the wrong way, but do you actually speak English? And can I use your posts as examples of why English language teaching is the way it is in so many places? And, lastly, could I ask if you are American, by any chance?
cheers,
G |
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aodtohan
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Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Hello G Cthulhu. Yes to all 3 of your questions. |
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