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Jayray
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It just seems like you're blacklisted countrywide. |
So are we agreeing that a complete China ban is possible?
At first you said that it is probably just a recruiter blacklist.
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Please reread the post. For your convenience, I rewrote "seems" in bold to emphasize it. I am trying to tell the OP that he perceives it as a countrywide ban, but it is probably a misperception. (Thus "just seems", meaning, "it only appears to be").
Other participants in the forum have posted links to either SAFEA or the Ministry of Education recently which appear to list names of foreign teachers and their transgressions. I am unsure if that is a black list or a report or a guideline.
I have no empirical data upon which to base the following opinion: if a school makes too many complaints against its foreign teachers, it would open itself up to scrutiny. No school wants that to happen.
It has been stated numerous times on this forum that some FAOs and school administrators are complicit in hiring unqualified teachers. If this is true, then it seems that the system for screening teachers is broken or nonexistent.
I have a lot of sympathy for Mat. I have experienced similar discomfort after having found out that I was working with and for unreliable and incompetent people whose morals and scruples were highly questionable. My only advice is for him to accept whatever amends the school tries to make, but to make plans to bug out ASAP when his contract with the crummy school ends. |
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mat chen
Joined: 01 Nov 2009
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Location: xiangtan hunan
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I agree sinobear. My problem stems from complaining about not being paid everything at the end of the contract. I have a good reference letter from the school. Xiangtan university would not give me the letter to get a travelling visa from the PSB. I needed this for the job I am doing now in Shanghai. My present school told me the PSB will not issue a Z visa because I am a trouble maker. In Xiangtan the PSB said to come a few days before the old contract expires and they would extend my visa. They then balked. I ran like hell when I saw other teachers being deported for complaining about not being paid. I left cloths and about 100 teaching books and came to Shanghai hoping to get the visa extended here. No one would help me including the school I am at now. I had to have money sent to my consolate in SHanghai. This caused me to overstay. During this time I kept in touch with the PSB. I recieved a phone call on my cellular telling me everything could be settled for 9,000 rmb. I never used my phone in their office so Xiangtan had given them the number. I went to Hong Kong and then returned to my wife's
home town Pingxiang. I had the tourists visa extended a month there and the PSB explained what I needed to do. I returned to Hong Kong with a letter stating that I was delayed because my wife's daughter needed hospitalation. This was true. I didn't mention the non payment of salary. They said everything would be OK.
So there are ways of watching you no matter where you are in China.
The cellular phone is the best tracking device.
I understand lieing to the recruiter about your salary but why would Xiantan university lie to the police about what I was making.
SI know everyone says why did you go there? I went there because it is close to my wife's hometown in Jiangxi.
I am hoping for the best but my present school says they will pay the ballance of my salary when I present them with airline ticket. I have another week of teaching here and by May 5 I must be out of the country.
I noticed while at the PSB here in Shanghai a business man negotiating an overstay. He was adament and the policeman first said 5 days to get out of the country. This was then changed to 10 days and they both moved away from each other and started talking on their cell phones. Things then turned in the business mans favor. He was granted a visa. |
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Voldermort
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If you are married then you qualify for a spousal visa. A 6 month tourist visa if you apply outside of your wifes hometown or a 12 month visa if she does it for you in her hometown. When I say 'hometown' I actually mean the city in which her Hukou (family booklet) is registered.
Sort your visa out first then try pushing your former school to pay up. |
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rc81
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:15 am Post subject: |
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If you are married then you qualify for a spousal visa. A 6 month tourist visa if you apply outside of your wifes hometown or a 12 month visa if she does it for you in her hometown. When I say 'hometown' I actually mean the city in which her Hukou (family booklet) is registered.
Sort your visa out first then try pushing your former school to pay up. |
can you work with a spousal visa? |
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mike w
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| can you work with a spousal visa? |
Not legally - it is basically an extended tourist visa. |
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rc81
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| can you work with a spousal visa? |
Not legally - it is basically an extended tourist visa. |
are there any working advantages to marrying a chinese? |
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Zero
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None at all. Theoretically if you are married for five years and live in China during those years, you can apply for permanent residence, but obtaining permanent residence is not common.
China is not big on extending any grand privileges to spouses of citizens. You would almost get the impression that foreigners are not entirely welcome to stay in China long-term. |
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mat chen
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Location: xiangtan hunan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank you everyone for your support. I have found out today that the police have no record of me whatsoever. It is my present employer who is lying to me. She is trying to get me out of here. I went to the PSB with reference letters from all my jobs in China. They said there is no problem and nothing is on their computers. I have a contract but no residence permit. I will do this myself. The contract has been breached but this puts everything in my favor. They will have to pay a penalty if they want me out of here. They are the ones who must arrange my visa not me. |
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Voldermort
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| Thank you everyone for your support. I have found out today that the police have no record of me whatsoever. It is my present employer who is lying to me. She is trying to get me out of here. I went to the PSB with reference letters from all my jobs in China. They said there is no problem and nothing is on their computers. I have a contract but no residence permit. I will do this myself. The contract has been breached but this puts everything in my favor. They will have to pay a penalty if they want me out of here. They are the ones who must arrange my visa not me. |
Be prepared for a few laughs at your expense. You have no work visa, therefore you are working illegally which means your 'contract' never got past the signing stage. Your employer has no need to pay any penalty. If they so required they could decide to not pay you anything after a month of hard work and still be in the clear. Infact, the only person in the wrong here is you by working for them illegally. |
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Mister Al
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OP, speak an nicely as you can to your ex-employer about the breach clause and try to negotiate some kind of settlement, if you have not been in breach yourself. He who seeks equity should come with clean hands. However, if they refuse you then just forget about it. You were not working legally so difficult to see you getting any kind of legal recourse on this.
Get a spouse L visa and look for another job. |
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Jayray
Joined: 28 Feb 2009
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Location: Back East
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| Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| mat chen wrote: |
| Thank you everyone for your support. I have found out today that the police have no record of me whatsoever. It is my present employer who is lying to me. She is trying to get me out of here. I went to the PSB with reference letters from all my jobs in China. They said there is no problem and nothing is on their computers. I have a contract but no residence permit. I will do this myself. The contract has been breached but this puts everything in my favor. They will have to pay a penalty if they want me out of here. They are the ones who must arrange my visa not me. |
Mat:
Make friends with the PSB and spend as much time there as possible so that no one can pull a fast one on you. You have your foot in the door with the PSB. Keep it there. Ask your wife to talk to as many people as possible as often as possible.
I agree with Voldermort. Things can go wrong because you are not in a good position (through no fault of your own). Do whatever you can to get another job. You never know. Somebody may have some influence and be able to secure a job, and an RP. |
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kukiv
Joined: 13 Dec 2009
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| Make friends with the PSB and spend as much time there as possible so that no one can pull a fast one on you. You have your foot in the door with the PSB. Keep it there |
Yeah follow Jayray's brilliant advice - investing in taking the boys in blue to the local KTV, a few banquets and a nudge nudge wink wink haircut - surely pays dividends 
Seriously - anyone here who thinks that the affairs of a poor FT has any gaunxi pulling potential with the local cops??????
If you're not interested in returning back home, get the spouse visa - that is if you're still on talking terms with your wife - and start looking for a new job.
Looks like time is your biggest problem - and that present employer sounds a real time waster who will eat up the last of your resources without you ever getting anything back!!!!!! |
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Jayray
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Make friends with the PSB and spend as much time there as possible so that no one can pull a fast one on you. You have your foot in the door with the PSB. Keep it there |
Yeah follow Jayray's brilliant advice - investing in taking the boys in blue to the local KTV, a few banquets and a nudge nudge wink wink haircut - surely pays dividends
Seriously - anyone here who thinks that the affairs of a poor FT has any gaunxi pulling potential with the local cops??????
If you're not interested in returning back home, get the spouse visa - that is if you're still on talking terms with your wife - and start looking for a new job.
Looks like time is your biggest problem - and that present employer sounds a real time waster who will eat up the last of your resources without you ever getting anything back!!!!!! |
Kukiv,
You know that that is not what I meant.
I am merely suggesting that the OP stay in contact with the PSB, make everyone aware of the ongoing problem, and put a face to the name. If the PSB knows the OP AND HIS WIFE as people, rather than somebody's problem, they stand a better chance against an unscrupulous FAO/school owner. That's pretty much common sense. We're in a country that is guided and ruled by relationships.
Believe it or not, some schools, their owners and/or FAO's are sometimes notorious to the PSB. An Owner or FAO that causes too many problems for the PSB could find himself experiencing some problems himself. |
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gene
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| Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| I am merely suggesting that the OP stay in contact with the PSB, |
Very good advice, as I was once going to go over the time limit of a visa and the PSB held my passport "in process" til I could sort it out. |
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mat chen
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Location: xiangtan hunan
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 6:56 am Post subject: |
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In some places in China the PSB acts like a bouncer or HR person for the school. In my case they tricked me after I finished the contract. The posters are right about the next place doesn't have to pay you after you sign a contract because of your record with the PSB and the last position.
Your new school always calls the old school and then they figure out how to take advantage of a situation. I worked up untill four days before my visa expired. Got paid for my work only. Lost all my books. My goal in life anyway is to get everything into two suitcases. Nice to be out of the Big C for a while and have people saying welcome to me and can I help you. |
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