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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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| Wait, is this SIT School for International Training? In Brattleboro? It's popular now? When I took the course through the ILI, I asked a couple people who came to speak at my school about teaching English, including the head of Footprints Recruiting, and none of them knew a thing about it. |
Yep, that SIT. certainly not as big as CELTA and suchlike, but seems to be up and coming, and to have an excellent quality rep.
I don't know anybody who would say that only those three programs "are training" and anything else isn't.
But there ARE a lot of programs out there which are awfully low quality.
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Trullinger wrote: |
I don't know anybody who would say that only those three programs "are training" and anything else isn't. |
You and I both know there are people here at Dave's who have specifically said that if you don't have a CELTA, Trinity or SIT then you're not certified.
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| But there ARE a lot of programs out there which are awfully low quality. |
Yes, there are (e.g. i-to-i, Oxford Seminars; I don't know enough about William Brewster's TESOL Institute in Indonesia but there's certainly something strange about it from its website: http://tesol1.tripod.com/); but that doesn't mean that every course that is not CELTA, Trinity or SIT falls into that category. |
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itoi
Joined: 19 Feb 2010
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I'd contest that i-to-i courses are low quality - we were the first course provider to offer online TEFL courses and drive thousands of pounds into course development each year, adding new modules, improving current ones and making sure our graduates are fully prepared for the world of TEFL. I'd encourage you to talk to people on our TEFL community Chalkboard (http://www.tefl-chalkboard.com/) who have done one of our courses and gone onto teach abroad, as a lot of the negative reviews of i-to-i seem to come from people who have no experience of our courses!
If teaching practice is where you think we're lacking, we offer paid internship programs, which enable new teachers to get TEFL certified and gain around 300 hours of teaching experience in China or Thailand - all for less than the cost of a CELTA course.
Anyhow, defensive moment over - onto your questions Grendelfreak - you can teach abroad with just a degree and no TEFL course - however, you'll have much better chance of getting your hands on the better TEFL jobs (read: not get screwed over by employers) if you do a course, preferably one that's 120 hours or more. There's more info here: http://www.tefl-chalkboard.com/travel-guides/151-Do-I-Need-a-TEFL-TESOL-Certificate-to-Teach-Abroad-
There's no one country where TEFL newbies start out - although China and Indonesia are both very popular due to the high demand there - if Bali's your thing I'd advise looking for a job in Indonesia and you can always take trips there on the weekend. You can find out more here: http://www.onlinetefl.com/tefl-jobs-abroad/tefl-indonesia.html
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| Posted: Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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I'd contest that i-to-i courses are low quality - we were the first course provider to offer online TEFL courses and drive thousands of pounds into course development each year, adding new modules, improving current ones and making sure our graduates are fully prepared for the world of TEFL. I'd encourage you to talk to people on our TEFL community Chalkboard (http://www.tefl-chalkboard.com/) who have done one of our courses and gone onto teach abroad, as a lot of the negative reviews of i-to-i seem to come from people who have no experience of our courses!
If teaching practice is where you think we're lacking, we offer paid internship programs, which enable new teachers to get TEFL certified and gain around 300 hours of teaching experience in China or Thailand - all for less than the cost of a CELTA course.
Anyhow, defensive moment over - onto your questions Grendelfreak - you can teach abroad with just a degree and no TEFL course - however, you'll have much better chance of getting your hands on the better TEFL jobs (read: not get screwed over by employers) if you do a course, preferably one that's 120 hours or more. There's more info here: http://www.tefl-chalkboard.com/travel-guides/151-Do-I-Need-a-TEFL-TESOL-Certificate-to-Teach-Abroad-
There's no one country where TEFL newbies start out - although China and Indonesia are both very popular due to the high demand there - if Bali's your thing I'd advise looking for a job in Indonesia and you can always take trips there on the weekend. You can find out more here: http://www.onlinetefl.com/tefl-jobs-abroad/tefl-indonesia.html
Good luck! |
The major problem with i-to-i is that it doesn't meet the industry minimum standard of 100-120 course hours and at least six hours of supervised teaching practice with real ESL/EFL students. I'll make you a deal: if TESL Canada will accept your course, I'll re-think my view of i-to-i as being substandard. Here are TESL Canada's standards: http://www.tesl.ca/Asset51.aspx?method=1. |
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Doctor T
Joined: 20 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:15 pm Post subject: Korea |
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| If you like out-of-the-way locations (similar to Tasmania) go to Korea, all you need is a degree, otherwise you'll have to save up for that CELTA. Good money in Korea though, it's only a year of pain. I guess provincial towns in China, Indonesia etc will also accept you but you may as well put money in the bank if you want to take a job no one else wants. |
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itoi
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| itoi wrote: |
I'd contest that i-to-i courses are low quality - we were the first course provider to offer online TEFL courses and drive thousands of pounds into course development each year, adding new modules, improving current ones and making sure our graduates are fully prepared for the world of TEFL. I'd encourage you to talk to people on our TEFL community Chalkboard (http://www.tefl-chalkboard.com/) who have done one of our courses and gone onto teach abroad, as a lot of the negative reviews of i-to-i seem to come from people who have no experience of our courses!
If teaching practice is where you think we're lacking, we offer paid internship programs, which enable new teachers to get TEFL certified and gain around 300 hours of teaching experience in China or Thailand - all for less than the cost of a CELTA course.
Anyhow, defensive moment over - onto your questions Grendelfreak - you can teach abroad with just a degree and no TEFL course - however, you'll have much better chance of getting your hands on the better TEFL jobs (read: not get screwed over by employers) if you do a course, preferably one that's 120 hours or more. There's more info here: http://www.tefl-chalkboard.com/travel-guides/151-Do-I-Need-a-TEFL-TESOL-Certificate-to-Teach-Abroad-
There's no one country where TEFL newbies start out - although China and Indonesia are both very popular due to the high demand there - if Bali's your thing I'd advise looking for a job in Indonesia and you can always take trips there on the weekend. You can find out more here: http://www.onlinetefl.com/tefl-jobs-abroad/tefl-indonesia.html
Good luck! |
The major problem with i-to-i is that it doesn't meet the industry minimum standard of 100-120 course hours and at least six hours of supervised teaching practice with real ESL/EFL students. I'll make you a deal: if TESL Canada will accept your course, I'll re-think my view of i-to-i as being substandard. Here are TESL Canada's standards: http://www.tesl.ca/Asset51.aspx?method=1. |
Deal - I've passed the details of that accreditation onto our head of courses - I'll let you know what outcome we get. |
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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Deal - I've passed the details of that accreditation onto our head of courses - I'll let you know what outcome we get. |
Please do! I'd be interested to know. TESL Canada is far from perfect, but they do carry some weight, and I'd be interested in knowing what they think.
(What TESL Canada thinks of your course, that is. Your head of courses is obviously and understandably a supporter of your cause.)
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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| Deal - I've passed the details of that accreditation onto our head of courses - I'll let you know what outcome we get. |
Please do! I'd be interested to know. |
It'll be interesting to see if we get a response.
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TESL Canada is far from perfect, but they do carry some weight, and I'd be interested in knowing what they think.
(What TESL Canada thinks of your course, that is. Your head of courses is obviously and understandably a supporter of your cause.)
Best,
Justin |
Is there such a thing as a perfect accrediting body? What exactly is your objection to TESL Canada? |
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Justin Trullinger
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit
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| Is there such a thing as a perfect accrediting body? What exactly is your objection to TESL Canada? |
We share the view, Chancellor, that it would be interesting to see if TESL Canada would recognise an i to i course.
I didn't say that I have any objection, exact or otherwise, to TESL Canada. I don't know a lot about them, truth be told. As I'm neither teaching in Canada nor likely to, they aren't high on my list of things to investigate.
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