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Lynn



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonester wrote:
I also have Level 2 JLPT but I found it to be a difficult test. Took me 2 attempts to get it. Was it difficult for you, Lynn?


I took the level 3 test and found it was way too easy, so the following year I decided I'd take the level 2 test. Wow! What a jump in levels. Yes, it was difficult. I passed on the first try, but it's only because I got a near pefect score on the listening section. (I think I missed one). I did miserably on the reading section. (a lot of guessing) and did just okay on the kanji/vocab.

I'm not even going to go near the level one exam. I'd still like to master the reading from level 2 first.

I'm also thinking of picking up Spanish because Japanese is not usefull in my job hunt in the states.
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Tonester



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took the level 3 test in 1999 and found it really easy but I was undecided as to whether to take level 2 or 3. I took level 3 because I though that I may as well just take the one I know I'll pass and then upgrade to level 2 later. I went back to Australia and took level 2 and flunked it on the 1st try. That reading comprehension killed me! I tried again the next year and passed. The vocab and kanji reading was easy enough but again that reading comprehension stumped me but didn't prove fatal (I passed the test, only by the skin of my teeth)!

I'm not going near level 1 until a good number of years has passed. Besides the pass mark is 70% not 60% so it's even harder to pass because of the raised bar and the extreme difficulty of the test itself.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BA in English, emphasis in writing
MA in TESOL, did the internship at the American Language Center in Morocco

haven`t taken a Japanese language test yet. Want to try for the level 3 one this year. Is the test only in December?
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Tonester



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is only in December but there are various sites you can take the test from what I know. If you go to Tokyo to take it you get to go to the famous Todai to take it. It is a very old university. It's where the smarties of Japan study but doesn't look like a very nice place to do so. Three words: Very ugly buildings!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BS Biological Sciences - General

Three years work experience in a plant molecular biology lab. Although only this last year was full time. No certificates, but I'm published.
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Lynn



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonester wrote:
I took the level 3 test in 1999 and found it really easy but I was undecided as to whether to take level 2 or 3. I took level 3 because I though that I may as well just take the one I know I'll pass and then upgrade to level 2 later. I went back to Australia and took level 2 and flunked it on the 1st try. That reading comprehension killed me! I tried again the next year and passed. The vocab and kanji reading was easy enough but again that reading comprehension stumped me but didn't prove fatal (I passed the test, only by the skin of my teeth)!

I'm not going near level 1 until a good number of years has passed. Besides the pass mark is 70% not 60% so it's even harder to pass because of the raised bar and the extreme difficulty of the test itself.


I took the level 3 in 99 as well. Where did you take yours? I was in Nagoya. If you and I were in the same testing section, this story might sound familiar:
After the first part of the test, we were told to hand in our testing materials before taking our break. One testing booklet was missing. We waited and waited...the proctor annouced over and over,"please turn in your test booklet. Someone has not turned it in. We cannot leave until all are turned in..."

Twenty minutes went by and our break was almost over. Everyone was getting very impatient. This was cutting into our toilet time and cramming time. I looked in front of me at the mischeivious German exchange student (high school) and noticed that he had the booklet under his bag. What an idiot!!! When the proctors came around I discretely pointed to the boy and they asked him to check under his bag. And there it was! He acted surprised. Everyone wanted to wring his neck for taking so much of our break time away. He didn't even care.

There wasn't any excitement when I took the level 2. And for those of you interested in taking it, you must register early. I think the deadline is September 1st. The test is only given once a year in December.
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Tonester



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I took the level 3 in 99 as well. Where did you take yours? I was in Nagoya. If you and I were in the same testing section, this story might sound familiar:
After the first part of the test, we were told to hand in our testing materials before taking our break. One testing booklet was missing. We waited and waited...the proctor annouced over and over,"please turn in your test booklet. Someone has not turned it in. We cannot leave until all are turned in..."

Twenty minutes went by and our break was almost over. Everyone was getting very impatient. This was cutting into our toilet time and cramming time. I looked in front of me at the mischeivious German exchange student (high school) and noticed that he had the booklet under his bag. What an idiot!!! When the proctors came around I discretely pointed to the boy and they asked him to check under his bag. And there it was! He acted surprised. Everyone wanted to wring his neck for taking so much of our break time away. He didn't even care.

There wasn't any excitement when I took the level 2. And for those of you interested in taking it, you must register early. I think the deadline is September 1st. The test is only given once a year in December.


Well , I took mine in Tokyo at the old, time-worn campus of Todai where the smarties of Japan end up studying. There was no mischevious people in my exam room but I ended up making a friend there that is still one of my best mates. I'm from Australia and so was he and he was sitting right in front of me. I heard him talking to another person who was an ALT from England and as soon as I heard his accent I chimed in and asked where he was from. He replied that he was from Brisbane and I said that I was from the Gold Coast and then gave him my card. We have been good mates ever since then and he calls me even now despite having become an ALT myself.

I took level 2 both times at the University of Queensland in one of their classrooms proctored by the university staff. The environment there was still as strict and man, are they really adamant you don't take anything from the test home with you! I never did but saw one candidate get caught and he had his test graded zero.

Now Lynn, in my level 2 test, 2nd attempt (2001 Test) I had to answer questions in the reading comprehension based on an article about the psychological behaviours of pidgeons and the rewards given when they peck in a desired place. The it went on to how the pidgeons kept pecking there because the pidgeons associated the action with a reward. All that in Japanese really gave me a headache, let alone the concept being explained in english being hard enough for anyone to digest in one's head. Did you ever get anything ridiculous like that in your level 2 exam? This question also goes to anyone else who has taken (regardless of pass or failure) the level 1 or 2 exam.

I could just imagine how horrible level 1 would be. Probably worse topics and even harder ones to understand if talked about english let alone written in Japanese. It makes me cringe which is why I'll have to wait a few years like I've already said!

I wonder what topics would be included. Anyone have any thoughts?
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Lynn



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tonester wrote:
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Now Lynn, in my level 2 test, 2nd attempt (2001 Test) I had to answer questions in the reading comprehension based on an article about the psychological behaviours of pidgeons and the rewards given when they peck in a desired place. The it went on to how the pidgeons kept pecking there because the pidgeons associated the action with a reward. All that in Japanese really gave me a headache, let alone the concept being explained in english being hard enough for anyone to digest in one's head. Did you ever get anything ridiculous like that in your level 2 exam? This question also goes to anyone else who has taken (regardless of pass or failure) the level 1 or 2 exam.

I could just imagine how horrible level 1 would be. Probably worse topics and even harder ones to understand if talked about english let alone written in Japanese. It makes me cringe which is why I'll have to wait a few years like I've already said!

I wonder what topics would be included. Anyone have any thoughts?


We've really gone on a tangent. lol. But I'd still like to continue this discussion. I know exactly what you mean about the reading comprehension part. I remember one story that was so abstract. I don't even know if I can explain it well.

If I sit here at my desk motionless and nothing has changed. Or so it seems, but really, time has changed.

Okay, I can't explain it well at all. It was bascially about how untangible time is. How we can measure it with seconds and the such but we can't controll it or something.

I actually found it really fascinating. It's interesting how the level one and two test use abstact stories instead of newspaper articles which are much more practical.

Speaking of abstract...have you heard of Hoshi Shinichi? I once took a class (only me and another student) in NYC. We read a short story by Hoshi Shinichi. It took us 3 months to read all 10 pages. It was very fascinating. If you like the Twilight Zone, you'd love his stories.

To be honest, I can't read his stories without the help of a teacher/tutor. If you're reading skills are up to par, his stories are fantastic as well as giving you excellent reading practice.

Oh, Tonester. Reading Japanese is really my weakness. I'll be 30 this year and sometimes I wonder if it's just too late for me. Maybe my brain is too hard to absorb any more kanji.

It sounds like you are continuing your studies and I applaud you for that. Keep it up!
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Tonester



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting you talk about him. I have never read any of his stories so I'll have to look out for his works. I may as well tell you my background. I studied Japanese for 3 years in high school, did a 10 month exchange in Saitama, returned to Australia and did a 3-year BA in Japanese (received advanced standing due to level 3 certificate and time spent in Japan- did 2nd and 3rd year subjects in 1st year, 3rd year subjects in 2nd year and did post-grad level Japanese subjects in final year) and I'm back in Japan 4 months after graduation as an ALT. I must admit that it was a hard slog but I felt was worth all the effort I put into it. I'm still far from native-like proficiency but would like to keep going with it. I don't mean to blow my horn but just intend to put things in clearer perspective given the fact that we are all from different countries and walks of life.

I also find that Aera is a good read and did some translation of articles in that magazine in my final year at uni as part of assessment. For you, Lynn it would be easier to read because it is a magazine written so that anyone who picks it up can understand. It has articles about contemporary affairs in Japanese society and other interesting issues like travel, interviews with people and even topics about other countries. Trust me; it's not as hard to read as a Japanese newspaper but can really provide good training for the person who is beginning to take an interest in Japanese media.

Many thanks to you; you've given me some ideas in studying for that dreaded level 1 exam when I eventually get the courage to register for it (I'll tell you now; it won't be this year!).
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honours B.A: Art and Art History & Communications, Culture and Information Technology.
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Mike L.



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of interesting Japanese JLPT stories hwen I took 3Q in 2002 and fortunately got it, there were several instances of cheating!

The proctors did absolutley nothing about it! Suprise, suprise... Confused

All of the cheaters where from one South East Asian nation where, by the looks of it , cheating on tests seems to be a way of life. Shocked

They'd be looking at each others test sheets, showing them to each other, opening the booklet too soon, but what really got to me was when this one guy starts staring at my test sheet. He was so blantant about it that I felt he obviously saw nothing wrong with what he was doing... Mad

At first, I thought about calling one of the poohtaro's (student proctors) over but then thought I'd deal with it myself. Idea

Since it was the grammar section worth 50%, and I had budgeted my time well and was pretty much done, I knew I could take care of business.

So I proceeded to make my test sheet highly visible to this guy and erased, all of what I thought to be, the correct answers and filled in what were clearly the wrong answers..

Then as expected he copied all my answers. To the best of his ability I'm sure. Just as we were about to run out of time I erased them all again. Covered my sheet with my forearm, using the smudges as a guide, filled the sheet back in.

The guy had this look on his face of total confusion and shock. Once they collected the papers and we're were let out I just looked at him and laughed and he figured out!

It was the most fun I ever had in a test!! If you're ever in this situation do the same! Exclamation

Anyways I digress... Arrow
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Tonester



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

That's teaching those b*astards that cheating accomplishes nothing! I'll rememer that the next time I take the JLPT. I wonder how many people would need to do that for Level 1..................
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Hondo 2.0



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B.A. English
B.Ed.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 2:04 am    Post subject: degree... Reply with quote

B of Sc Sociology and Philosophy....hmmmm.... Confused

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