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hewlett77
Joined: 17 Dec 2009 Posts: 95 Location: all over China
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 4:08 pm Post subject: Feed up with working in China |
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Tried working for a new company in Shenzhen (Meten). First week went fine splitting the time between Nanshan and Louhu Branches. The head of Meten School said they wanted me to work full time and from the sounds of things it was in the bag. The first evaluation I had in nashan was fine. But hey today after they did the evaluation over at the Louhu branches they said I'm not god enough and wanted to keep me part time. I personally looked at the evaluation sheets and 5 where fine but 2 not. So I was judged by 2 out of 5. I guess Chinese focus on the negative and ignore the positive comments.
I walked out after a heated discussion and went home. Seems my teaching days are over. I have no more confidence working with these people. Or any school in China. |
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gene
Joined: 03 Mar 2010 Posts: 187
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Well, that's done...mind as well eat! |
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mnguy29
Joined: 23 Jan 2008 Posts: 155 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Simply go to a different city. |
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living&learning
Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 245
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Posted: Sat May 22, 2010 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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You've come a long way from home to live in China. Think your decision through a little. Remember there are other jobs in China - tens of thousands of them.
To be honest it took me the best part of five years to find a job I like. There were some tough patches in those five years, but I'm glad I persevered - if nothing I learned a lot about myself, how to persevere and what a good job really is.
Jia yo! |
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Silent Shadow
Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Posts: 380 Location: A stones throw past the back of beyond
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 1:13 am Post subject: Re: Feed up with working in China |
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hewlett77 wrote: |
Tried working for a new company in Shenzhen (Meten). First week went fine splitting the time between Nanshan and Louhu Branches. The head of Meten School said they wanted me to work full time and from the sounds of things it was in the bag. The first evaluation I had in nashan was fine. But hey today after they did the evaluation over at the Louhu branches they said I'm not god enough and wanted to keep me part time. I personally looked at the evaluation sheets and 5 where fine but 2 not. So I was judged by 2 out of 5. I guess Chinese focus on the negative and ignore the positive comments.
I walked out after a heated discussion and went home. Seems my teaching days are over. I have no more confidence working with these people. Or any school in China. |
Hewlett, are you really going to allow two votes against you in one branch of one school in the whole of China make you give up?
Take a little time out, cook yourself your favourite meal, take a tipple of your favourite drink and chill. Clear your mind, and take a walk in the park. Just forget about things for a while.
Afterwards, think things through, rationally; you need some perspective, here. Think about what I said in the opening paragraph. Do you think that there is any one teacher or employee on earth that is universally loved? No one can please all of the people all of the time. Even the most popular teacher in a school will have students who don't like him. That's life.
My first job in China was an absolute disaster. Students walked out in rebellion and brought department heads into my classroom. I ended up having stand up arguments with all and sundry, and managed to get the sack with all of two weeks of teaching left on my contract. Quite a feat in China!
Of course I didn't feel too good, but I didn't for one minute think about leaving China. My life was bigger than that! Despite the setback, I knew I enjoyed my life in China overall, and I was damned sure that I was not going to let one school ruin that for me. I also accepted that some of it was my fault, and I needed to improve. Besides I was certain that I could take what small achievements I had made, despite the disastrous ending and build on that and get better.
Now, here I am seven years later still in China, loving every minute of teaching, and enjoying every aspect of life here. How long have you been teaching in China? Focus on your successes. I have a former colleague, who was a very responsible teacher. Yet, he worked for about six schools in two months before he found and settled himself in a school that appreciated his talent and dedication. He didn't believe for one moment that he wouldn't find what he was looking for.
Now get out there and enjoy. Life's too short to get depressed over any school, especially one like "Meten", that's for sure. Let them worry about losing a good employee. |
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hewlett77
Joined: 17 Dec 2009 Posts: 95 Location: all over China
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 5:50 am Post subject: |
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Good point. Maybe time to find new pastures. I just don't get these Chinese mangers. Why don't they just stop criticizing us and help us more in our work. If I'm not doing a great job offer me more training. I've been doing this for the past 6 years. Most of my experience has not been pleasant. Had a good run in Nantong Web, at least there they begged me to stay plus the work environment was god and the students satisfied with my teaching. Now I regret. I replied back seeing if I could go back there but no word back. Hey has any foreigners out there tried hitting one of these Chinese Managers, I know I'd love to but I won't try, even though sometimes I feel like it. It's not worth it in the end. |
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Silent Shadow
Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Posts: 380 Location: A stones throw past the back of beyond
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I hear you.
I left a good college where everything went well after three years there, and sometimes wonder if I made the right decision. However, I like my current job, and some things here are better than my previous one.
From what I've heard about Meten, I think they did you a favour by refusing you. I haven't heard too many good things about them, so you probably had a narrow escape.
I recommend public schools, rather than private. The hours are less, and there's less stress as the managers generally let you get on with it. You also generally get about four months off a year, often fully paid; plenty of time to recharge the batteries and do other things. Of course total monthly earnings tend to be lower, but the hours are much less.
It's definitely not worth hitting anybody, though I can understand why you might feel like doing so. Why bring trouble and stress on yourself? You've no real stress now. You are a free agent who can pick and choose from countless schools in China. I really do recommend a public school, where you're given more space from management to find your teaching niche. |
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lyallben
Joined: 13 Aug 2009 Posts: 23 Location: china
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:05 am Post subject: |
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think about getting a job at a university they can be easier gigs than language mills.Maybe go to somewhere else rather than Shenzhen. |
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Laurence
Joined: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 401
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Newbie blunder #12 (not exclusive to newbies, apparently):
Trying to maintain academic integrity in a language school position.
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I just don't get these Chinese mangers. Why don't they just stop criticizing us and help us more in our work. |
Accept these facts, or face untold frustration:
- Managers in a language training centre only care about your work as it effects revenue: that, after all is their primary concern. Bad practice? No, it's a just a business first and foremost, running on a very simple model, within which you have a simple path to follow.
- Of course a long term business strategy would most likely incorporate building up systems geared towards actual academic progression, but most language schools use only a four to five year business plan.
- They are not interested in developing your skills because it's usually quicker and easier to just find someone else.
As my Chinese friends like to say:
"don't think too much."
Use standard language school positions to build up skills, which you can later use as leverage to secure a superior position.
FYI
a university or (academic) school might give you more autonomy in terms of your teaching practice and you will likely have a longer-term relationship with your students.
A healthy change of pace, perhaps?
Or try for Wall Street - they have foreign managers : )
(I'm talking about the language school chain, of course - not the actual NY street)
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Had a good run in Nantong Web, at least there they begged me to stay plus the work environment was god and the students satisfied with my teaching. Now I regret. I replied back seeing if I could go back there but no word back. |
Ah the one that got away ~
(I think we all have one of these) |
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caleypatrick
Joined: 20 Mar 2010 Posts: 63 Location: Sichuan
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have blond hair and blue eyes? You must not, or you would have scored well on your assessment. |
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The Ever-changing Cleric

Joined: 19 Feb 2009 Posts: 1523
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Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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i echo what some other posters here have said. dont give up so fast.
get away from language mills and into a nice university job. the salary is lower but the hours of work are also lower and the stress levels much lower. Few hassles at a decent university job and if you show up on time, and do your work you'll be left alone by your department head. |
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hewlett77
Joined: 17 Dec 2009 Posts: 95 Location: all over China
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 2:01 am Post subject: |
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Where? Finding full time work is becoming much harder these day's. I've applied online, pasted my resume, getting jobs in taiwan which I know I'm not suited for as I have no degree. So currently now just working part time 5 hours a week for a small launague school here in Shenzhen. And thats through my agent an American working from home in futain. Herd of him? He runs an outfit called Little dragon School, more of a recruitment setup then a school. So getting no luck out of him. |
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askiptochina
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 488 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 3:56 am Post subject: |
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You're "feed up"? Are they making you eat too much? |
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MisterButtkins
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Posts: 1221
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I know exactly what you mean, OP. Yesterday my boss took me out to dinner. As usual, he ordered way too much food and I felt obligated to try everything. After about 90 minutes I was feed up. After going home I had to eat 4 TUMS before my heartburn stopped.
On the bus the other day, I think this older Chinese man in a business suit was trying to feed me up. He kept touching my leg.
I was in a taxi in another city the other day and I got feed up. He took 45 minutes to go somewhere that had taken me only 30 minutes to get to by bus. |
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chinesearmy
Joined: 08 Apr 2010 Posts: 394 Location: canada
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 8:49 am Post subject: |
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is this the general feeling of people working in language mills? |
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